Basenjis in India!!!!!

[JazzysMom]

Um, what are those dogs eating in the second photo?
Cuz it looks like that charred remains of a body…....

[Mia]

@JazzysMom:

Um, what are those dogs eating in the second photo?
Cuz it looks like that charred remains of a body…....

yup I agree :eek: must be a delicacy

[wizard]

I'd rather not know

They still look more like mutts than anything really basenji to me.

And welcome Ramon to our forum.

[JazzysMom]

Well, I'd rather not know,too, I suppose. Except that if it is a human body,it seems somewhat disrepectful to have it posted. I'd rather not see it here, personally.

[JazzysMom]

And yes, welcome Ramon! I didn't mean to overlook you in the process!

In your intro you mentioned that you are a dog handler, but didn't list Basenji as one of the breeds you handle. Have you handled Basenjis in the ring before? How are things going in India with the shows? Must be so amazing to travel the world like that!

[jaclempner]

An interesting thing I read about basenjis roaming free, which apparently is how they live in villages in Africa, is that they don't have all the quirky behavior they exhibit as house dogs here in America. There's no real aggression, unless they're protecting their property (owner's property) and they are not destructive. While reading the "horror" stories of basenji ownership some years ago, someone who had lived in the Congo said he observed basenjis living the way they had evolved to live with tribes and they behaved very differently than they do when we expect them to be house pets. I just thought it was really interesting. I think we ask things of them that are not natural for them by making them our pets and the more we can do for them that mimics what they were used to before we scooped them up and brought them to England and America, the happier and more well-adjusted they'll be.

[abby_basenji]

Maybe they would be more well rounded dogs if we could let them do more things like in the wild. Everyone thinks I have a strange relationship with Abby as she behaves like a child so we treat her like a child. We really don't punish her as we have not found anyhing that works, but don't be fooled she know when she has done something she is not supposed to do. The only eal aggression she has is (i thing she is protecting her territory) when she is sleeping and gets woke up she has a tendancy to snarl and even snip. She sleeps under the covers in the bed and when my husband comes back into the room to get ready for work she will sometime growl at him.

[BasenjiDiva]

@rokseth:

…...95% dogs in the street, fields, etc, are basenji tipe, heads, faces, eyes, ears, tails,in all cities we was, they have not owners, they live free, anybody have answer for that!, Thanks. Ramon

Sounds like they could be the Indian Pariah Dog…."Indog". Martha Stewart had a show about dogs a couple of weeks ago and her Yoga instructor was on with two Indogs that she brought back from India.

Pat

[Quercus]

@JazzysMom:

Um, what are those dogs eating in the second photo?
Cuz it looks like that charred remains of a body…....

OMG….yuck!!!!

[Quercus]

@jaclempner:

An interesting thing I read about basenjis roaming free, which apparently is how they live in villages in Africa, is that they don't have all the quirky behavior they exhibit as house dogs here in America. There's no real aggression, unless they're protecting their property (owner's property) and they are not destructive. While reading the "horror" stories of basenji ownership some years ago, someone who had lived in the Congo said he observed basenjis living the way they had evolved to live with tribes and they behaved very differently than they do when we expect them to be house pets. I just thought it was really interesting. I think we ask things of them that are not natural for them by making them our pets and the more we can do for them that mimics what they were used to before we scooped them up and brought them to England and America, the happier and more well-adjusted they'll be.

I think the problem is that we hold all dogs to higher and higher standards of what is 'acceptable' in the western world. We treat them like little humans, and expect them to behave like polite little children. When our parents grew up…dogs bit people who bothered them, and no one sued anybody..the kids were taught 'leave dogs you don't know alone!'. Dogs ran wild in the neighborhood, dogs got into garabage, and chased cats, etc. Now dogs are often surrogate kids, and are treated as such. And people expect all dogs to behave as well as their perfect 'baby'. And in particular, or society is ready to sue somebody at the drop of a hat.

I defintely think dogs would be happier if they were allowed to be dogs more often, but they certainly wouldn't be as safe...but I don't know if that is likely to happen in our society.

[JazzysMom]

@jaclempner:

An interesting thing I read about basenjis roaming free, which apparently is how they live in villages in Africa, is that they don't have all the quirky behavior they exhibit as house dogs here in America. There's no real aggression, unless they're protecting their property (owner's property) and they are not destructive. While reading the "horror" stories of basenji ownership some years ago, someone who had lived in the Congo said he observed basenjis living the way they had evolved to live with tribes and they behaved very differently than they do when we expect them to be house pets. I just thought it was really interesting. I think we ask things of them that are not natural for them by making them our pets and the more we can do for them that mimics what they were used to before we scooped them up and brought them to England and America, the happier and more well-adjusted they'll be.

That only makes sense to me. Of course they are not destructive – they are not confined, so they don't get bored, if they want to chew something there'd be plenty of things to chew -- sticks, straws, bones, whatever and no slippers, pens, pillows -- they can run to hunt, so the crazy B-500 is not an issue. They wouldn't need to be aggressive --if someone or something makes them uncomfortable, they can leave and go anywhere.

Remember the saying "A Tired Basenji is a Good Basenji". {That saying works for a LOT of breeds, all of which I'm sure would be much "better behaved" if allowed to roam free with nothing to destroy, such as shoes, neighbors tools, etc. Imagine how happy a little fox terrier would be in a field all day instead an apartment}

Don't you think we'd ALL behave better if we were always left free and never confined?

[BasenjiDiva]

When I was a child, most dogs (even in suburbia) roamed around where they wanted. Everyone let their dog out in the morning and the dogs knew when they should be home. Our dog, a boxer, tended to bring home "gifts"…a man's work pants, a potted plant (pot intact until he tried to bring it up the steps), a stuffed toy, etc. He had a few canine pals that he sometimes ran around with and a number of human friends to visit. A good life indeed! Big downside....he was hit by a car and killed at a young age of 4.

Pat

[jaclempner]

I think we make a mistake treating any dog like a human - it makes us have unrealistic expectations of them. They're much happier doing what they evolved to do, and if it's impossible, then an appropriate substitute (like lure coursing or agility training) is important. I know how hard it is to find time sometimes to do all these things, but I can always tell when my dogs need more exercise or something more interesting to do - it's hard in the winter because I live near the beach and that's where I run them and it can get really, really cold, especially when it's windy. Anyway, when my dogs act up because they're bored, I feel responsible, I don't blame them. Then I know I better get off my arse and get some kind of exercise in there no matter what the weather, or even take them somewhere in the car just for a little excitement.

In response to abby_basenji, my Willie does that and I've read that it's pretty instinctive for basenjis to do that, although I know not all of them do it. If they're suddenly awakened in the wild, it could mean danger, so they wake on the defensive. When Willie's sleeping in his crate or in the sun, I always call his name a few times when I walk in to the room so he's not startled awake. It works really well (a lot better than surprising him!) I think it's so important to understand the nature of your dog and work with it to help him/her be a successful member of the family. Before basenjis I always had big lab, shepard, collie mixes and they were so different to work with. My first basenji was a rescue and so many of the ways I handled the other dogs just didn't work with him. I learned to do everything differently and in a more low key manner with him. He was a great dog and he taught me a lot.

[JazzysMom]

@BasenjiDiva:

When I was a child, most dogs (even in suburbia) roamed around where they wanted. Everyone let their dog out in the morning and the dogs knew when they should be home. Our dog, a boxer, tended to bring home "gifts"…a man's work pants, a potted plant (pot intact until he tried to bring it up the steps), a stuffed toy, etc. He had a few canine pals that he sometimes ran around with and a number of human friends to visit. A good life indeed! Big downside....he was hit by a car and killed at a young age of 4.

Pat

A great life, until as you said, they get hit by cars, eat the neighbors anti-freeze or fertilizer, chew the neighbors' new garden hose, pee in the neighbors' garage, kill the neighbors' cat, bite the neighbors' child, fight the neighbors' dog, I even had a friend whose dog died after getting into a bag of bird seed someone had in their garage . . . . .

Maybe not such a great life. A lot of those dogs don't make it to 12 or 16 yrs., and a lot of their deaths are unpleasant.

I really disagree with allowing dogs to run loose, anywhere outside of native areas.

[jaclempner]

So sad to hear that he was hit by a car, but what a great dog life he lived until then. When I first moved to Sag Harbor (east end of Long Island) dogs ran loose. I had a collie/brittany mix who was a crazy, frenetic dog. She had a big yard where I lived before, but it was never enough. When she started running loose, she became a different dog. Very calm, sweet (she was always sweet) and somehow seemed happier. She got to hunt (she was more brittany than collie in behavior) and hang outside with the other dogs.She just seemed to be what she was supposed to be. It was very enlightening.

But things have changed here since then and I wouldn't be able to do things the same way with her now. Many more people are here year round now. I used to live at the end of a long dead end street with little or no traffic and water all around. Half the time she was in the water. Happy dog. But we've been "discovered" and I would never let any dog run loose now. Well, that's not completely true - I would never let any dog out the door to come home when he/she was ready. I do have a "safe" place where I occasionally let the dogs run off-leash - a dog park, of sorts. I have to say, they're never happier than when they are there - sniffing - running full speed for as long as they want, playing with the other dogs (Willie has a thing for German Shepards).

[Quercus]

@JazzysMom:

A great life, until as you said, they get hit by cars, eat the neighbors anti-freeze or fertilizer, chew the neighbors' new garden hose, pee in the neighbors' garage, kill the neighbors' cat, bite the neighbors' child, fight the neighbors' dog, I even had a friend whose dog died after getting into a bag of bird seed someone had in their garage . . . . .

Maybe not such a great life. A lot of those dogs don't make it to 12 or 16 yrs., and a lot of their deaths are unpleasant.

I really disagree with allowing dogs to run loose, anywhere outside of native areas.

Oh, I do too, JM. I prefer to keep dogs safe, than to have them live the ultimately fun dog life. I am just sayin' that we expect a lot of dogs now days, that wild dogs, and old time dogs weren't expected to do.

[hdolbow]

i didnt realize it till could possibly be a body till you said it and i looked again. i just looked at the dogs not what they were doing… kiiiinda odd what goes on in different countries... idk that you'd find anything even remotely like that anywhere in the U.S.

[skippnr]

I say there's no doubt the limb sticking up in the air to the left of the blonde dog is the lower half of a human leg. When someone pointed it out and I took a second look…...I can't lie after the initial shock I laughed simply because the dogs are eating it so casually. I have read and seen that in India they have Creamation houses in the middle of neighborhoods and basically anywhere else you can think of. They treat the dead a lot more casually then we do, however I guess this body didn't get completley creamated.

[TuckerVA]

Oops! I edited the post I made. I didn't even notice what they were eating. Was just popping around on the net googling India and dogs… Sorry about that. Just saw dogs that looked similar to basenjis that were tied to India. Looking at it again after reading this thread (I just got an email updating me that a new post was made today after having mostly forgotten about this thread altogether!) it certainly IS a charred body. Yuck.

[ChristyRutherford]

When I went to Thailand, the dogs there looked very basenji like. It was hard to see them in the shape they were. Definitly not spoiled as dogs are here. Very thin and most had mange. They are wild there, and you dont pet them, they just kinda run around like squirrles or raccoons.
It was very hard for me to see them. I took some pictures, of the healthier ones. I will try and find them.
They tended to stay at the temples "temple dogs" because the Monks would care, somewhat, for them.
The ones running in towns and villages were much worse looking, some. I would have taken them all home.
Goes to show what how different people (not just "us/them) but all of us are different form each other.
The guide and I had a wonderful time comparing and contrasting our cultures. I let her know how I treat my dog, and although she said it was nice and she liked dogs, I knew she thought I was crazy.