Questions about biting
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wrote on 22 Nov 2006, 06:30 last edited by
Basically when your puppy acts up you are supposed to put the dog on its side and put 2 fingers on its neck and your other two fingers on its back end. You are supposed to be firm but not choke them. They will squirm and try to get out of that position but your not supposed to give in. In time they will sigh and then you can let them go.
Anyone do this to their basenji when they act up and is it a successful method? The trainer at Petsmart says it will work but do they really know basenjis?This worked wonderfully with Jazzy.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2006, 12:58 last edited by
@Vanessa626:
Along the same subject line….
PetsMart offers a puppy training program and I remember they showed us how to "take control of the situation"
Basically when your puppy acts up you are supposed to put the dog on its side and put 2 fingers on its neck and your other two fingers on its back end. You are supposed to be firm but not choke them. They will squirm and try to get out of that position but your not supposed to give in. In time they will sigh and then you can let them go.
Anyone do this to their basenji when they act up and is it a successful method? The trainer at Petsmart says it will work but do they really know basenjis?I have taught this before to students, but slightly differently…no fingers on neck....easing dog down. Left elbow on hip, left arm up body, left hand on shoulder, right hand under/on collar, or helping hold front end down. I was taught it was called a 'down restraint'. I think it is really useful for teaching self control. But IMO it usally needs to be taught as a puppy. I don't think I would ever try this on an adult basenji that already has a history of biting....the human would be setting themselves up for a royal battle, and probably end up getting bitten. Again, this goes back to the force issue. You can force dogs to do things as puppies that they would never allow you to do as adults, once they are conditioned to it, you can continue to do it all their lives. Once a dog has learned to use his mouth, force becomes an aversive and the battle usually escalates to a point of making the dog even more aggressive than he was before.
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wrote on 22 Nov 2006, 15:11 last edited by
Even if I wanted to C3PO would be too strong for me to do this to him. He's 25 lbs of pure strong muscle. It's really incredible.
Our dog trainer did this to TOPAZ after a traning session Topaz decided to nip the trainer's leg for no reason but that she's was stressed & had enough & wanted the session to end. And it did! But not until the trainer taught her who's boss :) I don't think she'll try this again.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 13:29 last edited by
Joey has never growled at me (I am the primary caretaker and alpha in the house, my husband may disagree ;-) tho), but has with my kids. He has never snapped at them. Is it more effective if I teach the kids to put him on his side and hold him down or is it just as effective if I do it?
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 13:32 last edited by
Yikes, have we done something really wrong??? Joey has not been aggresive at all. When we play with him he will "bite" our arms, but not hard. If we say "ow" or "no biting" he stops immediately. Should we not encourage this behavior? or is it ok to do when we are playing which has been the only time that Joey uses his mouth?
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 14:00 last edited by
I let Duke play with me like that. It's just fun, like arm wresling. He mainly tries to grab hold of my sleeve cuff. But to do that, my arm wrist is in there. He gets excited and we go at it. He hasn't ever hurt me, except maybe some scratching or a pinch mark. I think dogs play like this too. My thinking is it's just play. When I stop moving my hand, Duke looks at me like "What - you're done?" When he was a much younger puppy - I wouldn't think of doing this - because I think it would give him the wrong message because I was trying to discourage mouthing.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 14:10 last edited by
Joey has never growled at me (I am the primary caretaker and alpha in the house, my husband may disagree ;-) tho), but has with my kids. He has never snapped at them. Is it more effective if I teach the kids to put him on his side and hold him down or is it just as effective if I do it?
I do not think this is an effective method for either you or the kids to do. Has Joey been to an obedience class? Having you kids learn how to work with Joey and train him will be good for both the kids and Joey. Having them ask him for a sit, down, or teaching him tricks he can do with them for treats can help improve their relationship.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 14:20 last edited by
Joey is fine with the kids unless he is sleeping and doesn't want to be moved. Otherthan that, he doesn't growl at them.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 14:25 last edited by
Any suggestions on resources for positive reinforcement techniques for Joey? Online? He has been trained by the breeder to do some things like staying at an open door until he is released to go, but not to sit or lay down. I have been to an obedience class with another dog that I had, but I can say that it was more negative reinforcement than positive.
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wrote on 14 Dec 2006, 18:11 last edited by
Yikes, have we done something really wrong??? Joey has not been aggresive at all. When we play with him he will "bite" our arms, but not hard. If we say "ow" or "no biting" he stops immediately. Should we not encourage this behavior? or is it ok to do when we are playing which has been the only time that Joey uses his mouth?
We do the same thing. Alani will put her mouth around our arms but never bite down enough to even leave an indentation.
However, sometimes she will grab a toy to play fetch and if I don't respond or tell her I don't want to play she will lay the toy across my arm and act like she's chewing on her toy but feel for where my skin is and start pinching it. I know she's doing it on purpose and she thinks she's so sneaky…but I know.
