Basenji pedegree

[ibi_n_sane]

@Janneke:

If Duna doesn't have a pedigree, her pups will never get pedigrees. If you want to breed pups with pedigrees, you will need a bitch that has one.

that depends on the rules of the kennelclub of the country you live in
in germany for example is it possible through a special track to get pedgree-less dogs judges for a registration number, when you breed 3 litters with fully registered parents in "special registration pedigrees " you get "full-pedigrees" for the pups after that.
In the Netherlands we can also do that with certain breeds, like the jack russell, peruvian, markiesje etc, they call it here "bijlage"pedigrees, after a certain track you get full pedigrees and then your dog can be competing for the CACIB also, when you dont have the full pedigree you can only get the CAC's, but that is only for certain breeds, not for the basenji in our country! when you dont have a breed that is listed for this special track they demand a full 3 generation pedigree otherwise you dont get registrated in the Netherlands.

well difficult story in very short

so Kalima62, you should ask your Italian kennelclub how it works for you in Italy

[Tiva]

I heard about basenji female in Italy, she is imp. from Russia, I think, and she didn't have pedigree. She got that "conditional pedigree" (sorry, I don't know English name) and after 3 generations her offspring will get full pedigree.

You can ask Davide (Nilo's breeder) if he knows something more, but the best will be to ask Italian Kennel Club.

[Kalima62]

Yes i heard something like that, I know Duna will never have a pedegree, Thats sure, but i was asking for regards her future offsprings if any.
Thankyou. Tiva, i will ask Davide as i chat with him often on the italian forum..ok..
ciao all.

[Janneke]

I did know about the rule in the Netherlands for certain breeds. But can you also get that conditional pedigree when the sire is a known pedigree dog? I mean.. what if I breed a normal pedigree litter and don't ask pedigrees for them and then after a couple of generations I'll try to get a conditional pedigree..?

I thought it was more a rule for imported dogs from the country of origin. Like the B's that have been brought back from Africa.

[ibi_n_sane]

Janneke, when you decide to breed without pedigree you cant get pedigrees after in the netherlands, only under certain conditions and for certain breeds, not basenjis, also not imported african basenjis, they dont do that in the Netherlands.

[Janneke]

@ibi_n_sane:

Janneke, when you decide to breed without pedigree you cant get pedigrees after in the netherlands, only under certain conditions and for certain breeds, not basenjis, also not imported african basenjis, they dont do that in the Netherlands.

But who will know that I breed without pedigrees..

Let's say it is allowed in Italy. I breed a couple of litters without pedigree and then a handsome Italian guy buys a pup.. (I know.. lot's of fantasy) and tries to get a pedigree in Italy.. Then he gets a conditional pedigree for a dog who's actually already a 'pedigree' dog..

[tanza]

@Kalima62:

Now my Duna has NO pedegree.
She was born from a dam from Cyprus with no pedegree ( Anexy ) and a sire with pedegree called Anubi's Enigma Eros ( Nilo )
I know something about getting Duna's future litters for 3 generations always mated to pedegree dogs, will eventually have full pedegree pups???
I think ive made a mess of my explanation but i hope you folks understand what i mean!
Could someone please highlight me on how things work??
Thanks

:):p

In the United States, with the American Kennel Club, you could not get full papered/pedigreed offspring.

[Tiva]

Usually, dog can't get pedigree later, if litter wasn't registered or if one or both parents don't have pedigree. Sometimes, some National Kennel Clubs allow conditional pedigrees for their breeds (for example, Croatian Shepdog in Croatia or Tornjak in Croatia & Bosnia and Herzegovina etc.) or Breed Clubs for imports (Avongara basenjis, Tibetan breeds…).

As long as your Duna is without pedigree, she can't have pups with pedigrees. You can ask if in Italy is possible to get pedigree later - I mean, to get conditional pedigree. Normal pedigree she can't get because her mother doesn't have it.
I remember that story about Italian female (I think her name is Luna, her owner is on Italian forum too) because my friend contacted owner 2 years ago - she was interested in puppy and owner told her that female is from Russia, she didn't have pedigree, but owner has applied for conditional pedigree and commission approved it.

[ibi_n_sane]

@Janneke:

But who will know that I breed without pedigrees..

Let's say it is allowed in Italy. I breed a couple of litters without pedigree and then a handsome Italian guy buys a pup.. (I know.. lot's of fantasy) and tries to get a pedigree in Italy.. Then he gets a conditional pedigree for a dog who's actually already a 'pedigree' dog..

In the Netherlands you cant keep that a secret
puppyfarmers claim their dogs are pedigreedogs as well, and make one themselves or say the parents got one, that is why an official pedigree is important !
when you want your pedigreeless dog to have a " conditional pedigree" you have to get them through a special track and commission, and for some breeds that is allowed depending on country's kennelclub rules. So theoratically your example is right

[Janneke]

@ibi_n_sane:

In the Netherlands you cant keep that a secret

No.. Gossip is the word for that.. Dutch people are great in it..

And I'm not thinking about breeding without pedigrees.. or even about breeding with pedigrees.. Although my vet has a really nice Parson russell terrier and was thinking about using Tillo as stud.. ggg.. she was kidding of course..

But now I know that IF the pups would still look like B's.. I can maybe get a pedigree for them in Italy…