Breeder Fanconi Testing all Parents, and my Pup
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wrote on 24 Jan 2009, 20:08 last edited by
Hi everyone I don't know if you remember me, but I have decided to stay with the pup that I was intending on getting. I have convinced my breeder to fanconi test all of the parents, and my pup. Hope this is good news to you all.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2009, 21:55 last edited by
That is good news for the sire/dam and any pups produced/sold. Hopefully they all come back not affected. More to the point about health testing, while Fanconi is horrible and now preventable, there are other health concerns in our breed and it would be nice if all breeders fully health and temperament tested before breeding and didn't just breed for profit.
I wish you luck with your pup…
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wrote on 24 Jan 2009, 22:27 last edited by
Thank you. How do you do a fully health test? What all is needed to be done?
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wrote on 24 Jan 2009, 23:54 last edited by
Thank you. How do you do a fully health test? What all is needed to be done?
Sire and Dam should be OFA'ed for hips and elbows (hip and elbow xrays that are sent to OFA (www.offa.org) to be read and graded. Current Eye exam by a board certified Ophth Vet. Thyroid Panel (full panel not just the T4 that is done usually with a blood test a regular Vet runs, full Thyroid Panels are set off to approved labs for results). Patella exam for "slipping patellas" which is becoming more and more a problem in our breed. (This is usually done by a regular Vet with the results being sent to OFA to be published) Brucellosis test of both the Sire and Dam. And of course the DNA Fanconi test. And you can even take it one further and have a Cardiac exam done, which would be with a Cardiac Specialist. Knowing also the "family" tree, meaning Siblings, offspring, Grand and Great Grand Sire/Dam's have also been health tested.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2009, 23:56 last edited by
I sure hope you wait until you get the test results back before you go get your pup.
I can save you tons of heartbreak.We are going to be here to help you, if you will let us.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 00:40 last edited by
I will let you guys. I take your opinions in great consideration.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 00:47 last edited by
I would add to the long list to check for Hemolytic Anemia - I know that 'we' reputable breeders have essentially eliminated it - but I also know that the back yard breeders who many times got their dogs from puppy mills have not - and it does surface from time to time and more than I would like to see.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 00:49 last edited by
I honestly think that the only problem with my breeder is that she is 'new' I think I am being a responsible buyer by asking all these questions…
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:07 last edited by
I looked up an old email, and she is doing all those test. Wow slipped past me…
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:10 last edited by
I honestly think that the only problem with my breeder is that she is 'new' I think I am being a responsible buyer by asking all these questions…
Being new is not an excuse, sorry… and sorry if that sound harsh, but it is the reality. If you are going to breed then before you do so, you need to learn about the breed and what the health concerns are and what health testing should be done. Many of these tests are uniform for ALL breeds. IMO, breeders like this should not be supported...
And she is NOT new to breeding, maybe to Basenjis, but she has at least two other breeds that she is breeding and selling.. and the only reason to do that is to make money....
And Dmcarty is right, DNA HA testing should be done also, as she said, it is still out there and has popped up from BYB's and PM's breedings.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:11 last edited by
I looked up an old email, and she is doing all those test. Wow slipped past me…
That is great if she really is…. and they should all be publically posted on www.offa.org
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:31 last edited by
How do I see it on offa?
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:52 last edited by
You need to know the either the registration numbers of the sire and dam or their registered names. Just type one of those into the search feature. If the dog has an OFA record then it will come up so you can see all health testing done and the results. If the dog has no OFA record it will come back with a message that no results can be found.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 01:56 last edited by
There are no results yet. The test were sent out about a week ago.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 02:20 last edited by
I am happy to hear that she is doing the testing and I really hope that she has done at least all of the CHIC tests. I also hope that you will not take home a puppy until you have the results of those tests.
I also agree with Pat that being "new" is no excuse. The information about basenji health is readily available on both the OFA website and the BCOA website. The CHIC tests are listed on OFA, http://www.caninehealthinfo.org/brdreqs.html?breed=BJ
The health concerns in the breed along with how to test for them are all described in detail on the BCOA site, http://www.basenji.orgA buyer should not have to tell a breeder what the health concerns in the breed are nor about the available tests that are available for those concerns. I buyer should know what to ask about a health testing and should seek a breeder who is knowledgeable enough and cares enough about their own dogs and the puppies they are choosing to produce to do the health testing to produce the best puppies possible.
Can the breeder tell you what the average lifespan of the dogs in you puppy's pedigree is? It is not just about doing the health testing. It is also about knowing if there is longevity in the family lines, and knowing what the temperaments of the dogs in the pedigree is.
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wrote on 25 Jan 2009, 02:41 last edited by
I am seeing the pedigree tomorrow. Will let you know. Thanks.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2009, 21:20 last edited by
I got the sires pedigree. I don't really know what I'm looking at… lol
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wrote on 26 Jan 2009, 21:28 last edited by
A pedigree won't tell you much unless there is verifiable health data on OFA or you talk to someone who knows the dogs in the pedigree. There are some of on this list who are very familiar with many dogs and do a lot of pedigree research.
You really need to discuss the pedigree of your pup both sire and dam with your pup's breeder. You need to ask if the dogs in the pedigree are alive or deceased. If deceased, at what age and what was the cause? The breeder should be able to answer these questions for a 4-5 generation pedigree.
If you know the name of the dam, you can probably look up her pedigree at http://pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com but again you will need to talk with someone who knows the dogs in the pedigree for it to be useful.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2009, 22:56 last edited by
As I indicated before - if you want to give me his name off list - happy to see if I know anything.
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wrote on 26 Jan 2009, 23:16 last edited by
As I indicated before - if you want to give me his name off list - happy to see if I know anything.
I thought I sent you a pm? Maybe I didn't? lol.
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