I think this is the same Candyce as talked about in this thread: http://www.basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=5223&page=3 ?
Yes, it looks to be one in the same. You might want to think about Fanconi testing…. since it seems the parents of these litters have not been tested...along with other testing (hips, eyes, thyroid...)
Should i be worried? (Referring to the above linked post about the breeder candyce)…..was the main talk about the falconi test?
Should i be worried? (Referring to the above linked post about the breeder candyce)…..was the main talk about the falconi test?
If it were me, I would be. Fanconi is a horrible affliction… and any responsible breeder should be DNA testing their dogs/bitches before every considering having pups. That along with other health testing. And socialization of the litter is very important.
Yes, this test is done by all responsible breeders.
The test will show if you will lose your basenji early to this awful illness.
I do hope you reconsider this breeder and find one who does the testing before the pups are on the ground.
so you think i should not buy from her? i already paid her an deposit….or should i get him and take him in to the vets for the test?
so you think i should not buy from her? i already paid her an deposit….or should i get him and take him in to the vets for the test?
From what I know.. I think you should not buy from her..
A responsible breeder will make sure the pups will get the best start possible.. health, socialization etc..
so you think i should not buy from her? i already paid her an deposit….or should i get him and take him in to the vets for the test?
A vet can not do a Fanconi test. It is a Cheek Swab done by the U of Mo. Here is the link to learn about it www.basenjihealth.org
And as pointed out in the other post, IMO, since the person did not test before breeding, she should give you your deposit back since she can not show proof that DNA test for Fanconi was done. Or you could request that the test be done "before" you get the pup. However, if it were me, I would look for a responsible breeder even if it means you have to wait for a pup and not get one now. In the end, the quality (health, temperament, conformation) of the pup you get is what is important..
I agree with Pat.
We are just trying to keep you from the heartbreak of having and loving and losing a fanconis dog.
I don't want anyone to go through that.
Also remember, according to what I have seen, these puppies are not American Kennel Club registered, but a registery that many puppy mills and Back Yard Breeders started because they didn't want to have to pay for the DNA parentage test that AKC requires for frequent breedings of dogs and bitches. AKC is really the only truly reconized registery in the US.
thanks for all the concern. I emailed Candyce and she said she has ordered the tests and will tell me the results before she ships the dog out to me.
thanks for all the concern. I emailed Candyce and she said she has ordered the tests and will tell me the results before she ships the dog out to me.
The results are publicly published at www.offa.org. And she will get an email from OFA with the results. If I were you, I would require that she forwards the email to you. But that is just me…
You might want to check out this site.
They are in Ca and these b's need homes.
The Medfly Brigade Basenji Rescue http://www.basenjirescue.com
for more dogs.
Hi are the puppies really that much of a handful? Like hardwork?
Hi are the puppies really that much of a handful? Like hardwork?
Yes…. if you are talking about raising a litter, it is dedication to being with those pups as much as possible from birth, introducing them to things like different noises, people, children, potty training, playing nice (as in curbing the mouthing/biting since this is how dogs communicate), early things like leave it if they are chewing on something that they should not be, also I don't send puppies home till they are at least 10 wks as I don't feel they are mentally ready before then (there are exceptions if someone already has a dog/basenji). They learn so much from their Mom's and other littermates especially regarding "soft mouthing".
If you are talking about getting a puppy, then even more hard work and dedication, regardless of what breed. Potty training, crate training, walk on a leash, socialization... it is not like you just bring a puppy home and they don't need any training/care. Remember when you get your puppy, you have uprooted him/her from its pack. You are now its pack. The puppy must learn a whole new set of rules, manners, bounderies. It is a 24/7 project, just like a baby would be... It takes time and patience to get you puppy potty trained.. and when they have an accident.. it is your fault, not theirs.... same if they are chewing something they should not.. it is your fault for not watching them.. as they don't know any better....
But what you get in return is a well socialized, well mannered (ok well as much as a Basenji can be..ggg) happy well adjusted loving companion that you will have for 15 to 17 yrs...
Plus puppies can't hold their waste for the night, so plan to be sleep deprived.
very much like having a new baby.
Thanks for the info. What I meant was hardwork in comparison to any other breed of dog…I know puppies need training and potty training and love and leash training along with supervision and the necessary obedience but was curious of how much more hardwork it would be for a basenji apposed to another dog puppy...
Thanks for the info. What I meant was hardwork in comparison to any other breed of dog…I know puppies need training and potty training and love and leash training along with supervision and the necessary obedience but was curious of how much more hardwork it would be for a basenji apposed to another dog puppy...
All puppies regardless of the breed are hardwork, IMO… A Basenji maybe a little more because they are a "thinking breed" as are most sighthounds and terriers... and IMO the better they are raised from birth, the easier the transition is to a new home.
IMO b's are harder to raise properly, because they are a smart breed than most.
So, take more work.
…I don't send puppies home till they are at least 10 wks as I don't feel they are mentally ready before then (there are exceptions if someone already has a dog/basenji). They learn so much from their Mom's and other littermates especially regarding "soft mouthing".
Hey Pat, can you elaborate on what happens in puppy socialization, learning, etc. between 8 and 10 and why it is better to wait to 10 weeks. I've heard quite a few stories of pet people trying to get responsible breeders to release a pup to them at 8 weeks. Also, when you say, an exception can be made if there is another dog in the house…is that because that other dog will still keep the manners training up with the pup that the mother or siblings would do. Just curious.
Hey Pat, can you elaborate on what happens in puppy socialization, learning, etc. between 8 and 10 and why it is better to wait to 10 weeks. I've heard quite a few stories of pet people trying to get responsible breeders to release a pup to them at 8 weeks. Also, when you say, an exception can be made if there is another dog in the house…is that because that other dog will still keep the manners training up with the pup that the mother or siblings would do. Just curious.
Well, I can try… and this is just my personal opinion. As far as the exceptions, yes you are totally correct. The other dog will help with the training and manners (and believe me..it is a blessing with those little "needle" teeth of pups). Also many times the pup will follow the other dog, so even things like house training and crate training are easier. And if the humans have a Basenji already that they got as a puppy they "know" the ropes...
As far as the 10wk window, first I don't do the first set of shots till 9wks, I also to eye exams and that is between 8 and 9 wks. In the litters that I have raised, I believe that the true personality of a B pup really develops between 8 and 10 wks. It makes it much easier to be able to decided what pup would go to what home (as I do not let people just choose but try and place the best pup in the home that suits that pups temperament). I believe that at at 8wks a B puppy just has not developed socially enough to remove from the pack situation... they are just at that age figuring out what is going on around them for longer periods of time, as opposed to being sleeping little lumps... that sometimes get up and move around. They play more, they develope a pecking order within the litter, they continue to learn social skills from their litter mates... and as the breeder you can keep introducing new things that go on every day in the house...
And believe me... it would be much easier to "send" them to their new homes at 8wks for breeders... by the time that you have 8 wks olds, you think that if you had a litter of 6, you have 66 puppies!..ggg...
