Oddly, my B does worse when off her turf when meeting new dogs, and is much better meeting them at home. I have to say that the only way my B was okay with a new dog was if the new dog was crated and she got to sniff and check out the new dog without it jumping all over her. Once I knew my B was okay with the new dog, I put both dogs on leashes in case one became aggressive, and let them out together in one room.
Puppy News!!!
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That Topdog is totally out of line they sell a trindle for more then their other puppies.That means they do not know squat about breeding as they produce a puppy like it secondly how can they charge more for a colour that isn´t accepted no they are no more then puppymill posing as a serious kennel!!!!!
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What about Eldorado Basenjis?
I know that the pup my breeder picked up in April, Eldorado's Keeper of the Flame, is tested clear (Eldorado's Keeper Of The Flame (CL) {M} HP288722/05 USA 13 Dec 2007)
You can look it up on the Zande site (http://www.pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com/search.html)
It's a good sign that more and more breeders/owners decide to run the test, especially since the introduction of the FTA-based Fanconi test. This is the only possible way to eradicate this disease !
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Thanks Again!!
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I am curious why, if she is doing the appropriate health testing, OFA Thyroid panel and CERF for eyes that she is not spending the $15 to have them registered with CERF and OFA so that all buyers can independently verify that the tests run were done to the standards set by OFA and ACVO. Also, there was no mention of hips being tested.
Also, one other big question, does she take back her puppies for any reason at any age?
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Why would they did the blood test when she could have just ordered the cheek swabs? So they paid to have blood drawn and shipped and still have to pay for the DNA test, when for 65.00 they could have order the cheek swab and test from the OFA site. That makes no sense at all? And I don't see that they did Hips and/or elbows? Also, if one parent is a carrier and one is clear, you don't have Fanconi worries, worst the pup could be is carrier. Even breeding an affected to a clear, you get all carriers, none affected.
And I am going to share something with this group about this Breeder. Many times I go to puppyfind.com and nextdaypets.com and then email people with pups for sale asking them if they have health tested at least for Fanconi and asked them to "please" be part of the solution to rid our breed of this horrible affliction. It was 1 week ago that I emailed this breeder…. they didn't even know there was a DNA test, nor did they have any idea that the pedigree of the Sire and Dam was "loaded" with affected dogs.
Will be interested in hearing if the eye exams are CERF exams from a board certified Vet for eyes... and if it is a full Thyroid test, not just the T3 that comes with regular blood work. If just with regular bloodwork, it is not a complete enough test to tell you about Thyroid problems.
Not sure what you mean by "all is negative" on both the Sire and Bitch? What is negative? There is no negative in eye exams?
Glad to hear that you are looking at other breeders.... and I hope that you find your forever pup.... from a responsible breeder.
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Once again… Lisa and I are on the same "wave".... posting the same questions a minute apart
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Yes that was my thought too were are the hips and how can eyes be negative meaning negative of what??And where they checked by an eye specialist and were the hip x-rays sent to the orthopedic board that reviews them and if so why didn´t she show were you could read about it at OFA you have to ask for the proper paper work and check that it´s legit.And has she promised to buy back the puppy no matter what or are you signin away that part?
I know you´re are so eager to get a puppy but take a deep breath and think hard is she just telling you what you want to hear.
I don´t know she sounds strange every time when pushed she produces magically these documents and answeres that fit and make you feel safe.
She certainly knows the human psyche
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I am with Lisa and Pat, there is definitely still some info missing.
Regarding UnderCover Basenjis having fanconi in their lines, yes of course there is. Almost all responsible breeders have fanconi in their lines and have bred carriers and affecteds. Remember until a couple years ago it was a total guessing game. And yes, she realized unfortunately before the test came out that Jack was a carrier. I have a clear Jack son. Jack was a big part of the research that helped create the test. Since the test came out there are 56 UnderCover dogs that have been tested for fanconi. And Gale has personally paid for quite a few of those who are not her own dogs. I think she has tested any and all dogs of her breeding that are intact, whether or not there are any plans of being bred. She has tested whole litters as well. She cares very much about her puppies and I'm sure she'd be happy to talk to you if you have any concerns.
If you look at many of the popular sires breeders have used over the years, you'll see a lot of carriers and affecteds.
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I wanted to let everyone know how grateful I am for all your opinions and advise and to make sure you all know I am trying as hard as I can to get the best puppy for our family and cover all my options. Thank you all very much!!
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No I have no concerns I knew that there was a lot of talk over here about Jack also Myrans dad was a big topic when he arrived in sweden luckily the test came and he was cleared of all rumours that were flying around.His mum was Undercover Caitlan also as he had a JS sire there were issues but now people aren´t afraid to use them thanks to the test.
Myran is a mixture of JS,Undercover and Wazazi same is Efia and if you looked at my postings i´m very proud of my doggies and their bloodlines:)
We are a smaller country and therefor our basenji population is under hard scrutiny either one follows the club guidelines or you end up sitting with your whole litter unsold and everyone knows about each other.Finland has even harder health rules then us. -
Thank you! I didn't know anyone on here knew about Joy's litter. Thanks for your personal experience and advise! Its nice to know someone who knows of the breeder personally besides my Mother Show friend! Thanks
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Thank you Myran! I didn't know anyone on here knew about Joy's litter. Thanks for your personal experience and advise! Its nice to know someone who knows of the breeder personally besides my Mother Show friend! Thanks
I think you have Myran mixed up with Mya….
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I wanted to let everyone know how grateful I am for all your opinions and advise and to make sure you all know I am trying as hard as I can to get the best puppy for our family and cover all my options. Joy has put in contract that she is willing to give a full refund and take the puppy back at any age as well as pay for any illness vet bills for the first six months (because she is a friend thru my family) but since we are military we have a free Vet, which is kinda nice!!
As of now we are still contacting breeders you have referred us too, but we are still interested in our Baby Boy. I guess now I am just waiting on the Fanconi results. But unless either parent is affected, we are going to buy her boy. Thank You ALL so VERY much for all your help in our puppy needs!! I cannot express how glad I am to have such a trustworth and friendly forum here to give us aid, laugh with us and also provide a shoulder to cry on in hard times!! Thank you all very much!!Since you have made your decision with this breeder, why would you not buy the puppy even is one parent is affected? Breeding to a clear would give all Carriers, but none that would get Fanconi?
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I meant not just a carrier. Sorry, I should have made that clear. And sorry i did mix up the names…lol. My bad!
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Thank You!
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Kira,
I hope this all works out for you and everything goes ago. Jack is watching from up above and I am sure he will send the right pup to you.
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**UPDATE
It is unfortunate, but we canceled our reservation with Joy today…so Poor Baby Boy B isn't going to be coming our way...On a lighter note, we have been blessed with a bit of a miracle thanks to ALL of your help!! We will be getting a Basenji this season from a Local CT breeder and yes avid tester AMAZING litter!!! (the original breeder we were working with)! Just waiting for the details to come thru!! Ill keep you all posted with ALL the details about our Precious B Baby!! and AGAIN thank you so much for ALL your Advice and Guidance! We needed it!
Kira and Geoff Hayes**
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I hope it all works out for you. i'm sure there's a b out there (born or not quite yet) with your name on it.
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There´s a swedish proverb "he who waits for something good never waits too long" so good luck and we´ll keep our fingers crossed there´s a cutie on your way soon:D
