Pet store basenji :(

[tanza]

@JazzysMom:

Exactly what happens to pet puppies animals if no answer buys them at all?

Typically, they keep reducing the price and someone usually buys the pup.. but they can return to the broker they got the pup from…

[tanza]

@lvoss:

Check the law carefully. Many of the newly proposed state legislation exempt commercial breeders and yet wish to apply commercial standards to home based hobby breeders. Most hobby breeders have their dogs as house pets and therefore do not have kennels and will not meet such regulation.

I would say that all the new legislation is not geared to puppy mills… but will directly effect hobby breeders... just check out California AB1634 that is popping up in many, many states. This will effectively stop all responsible breeders

[hdolbow]

@Ninabeana26:

Hated the basenji or the ex girlfriend :p

bahahahhaahahahahhahaha:D

the basenji.. but when he fell in love with her .. he started to hate the ex

[hdolbow]

@lvoss:

Another thing people can do is not buy supplies from stores that sell puppies and kittens. There are many pet supply stores that sell just supplies. Pet stores that sell puppies and kittens want you to come in that door and then fall in love with one of their animals and take it home. Any time you buy something from them you help pay their rent and keep them there.

this i disagree with. People have will power.. thats like saying shut down petsmart. the same thing can happen there. you're "adopting" but how many people just walk in.. fall in love.. and then realize they cant take care of them. I'm sure this happens with dogs bought from breeders too.

Not everyone can afford to spend all types of money on a "purebred" dog. Most over $600. I know growing up that my dog was a mix.. picked up on the side of the turnpike after her original owner just dropped her off.. shes almost 15 and is still going. Never had a health problem either. my parents NEVER could of afforded to buy a dog from a breeder. Does that make them bad people?

As for trying to put them out of business by not shopping there.. i think thats a little harsh. If someone can't go into a store and ignore the puppies then that is their problem IMO. Selling puppies in a petstore is a lot better than taking them to the pound where they dont get adopted right away and have to get euthanized.

[TuckerVA]

Do BYB's destroy dogs that are sent back to them if someone doesn't end up buying from the pet store? I just read through this and the thought of a B (or any dog, for that matter) in a pet store just disgusts me. I want to hurt them. Badly.

I saw some vids online regarding the fur trade in China and what they do to dogs over there. It's a good thing I don't have access to 'the button'. Normally, though, I'm a pretty calm and nice guy…

[lvoss]

If you buy your pet supplies from a store that sells puppies and kittens then you are indirectly supporting the puppy mill cycle by supporting their sales outlet. Your money that keeps that store open and operating gives puppy mills a place to sell their puppies.

Pet stores that sell puppies and kittens are very different then stores that have adoption drives at their site to place homeless animals. I stand by my statement, if you want puppy mills with their horrible conditions, zero health testing, and no concern about whether their pups end up a euthanasia statistic to go away then the one power we all have is to stop supporting the cycle. Do not spend money at stores that support puppy mills, do not buy a pet store puppy.

[jaclempner]

@Ninabeana26:

My sister volunteers at the animal shelter by her college & told me there was a basenji there that was turned over to them because the owners bought it from a Petstore & didn't know what they were in for. They claimed the dog was "crazy, untrainable & evil" so they released it to the pound & now my sister is trying to get it moved to the Humane Society because otherwise it may be put down She said she'd adopt him if she weren't in college, thus no dogs allowed.

Tell her to contact BRAT. They should step in and rescue the dog, don't you think? It can be fostered and trained and placed in a good home.

[sharronhurlbut]

BRAT doesn't buy a dog from a pet shop or a puppymiller unless the puppymill is closing down.
Otherwise, we can go in and say we will take the dog if they are not able to sell it, but usually the price is reduced enough someone uninformed will buy the pup.
That is why giving the pet shop your contact info is the way to get the word out that you will help the new owner and maybe take the dog if its not working out.

[hdolbow]

so what happens when the dogs that are bought at a pet store are taken to shelters because they cant be taken care of and are re-homed because they are homeless? regardless those dogs are going to be adopted out again.

The cycle doesn't end because like it was posted before, the dogs either get sold for really cheap, or sent back to the breeder to be sold somewhere else or used to continue the problem. I dont understand how not buying from pet stores solves this problem at all. Especially with the internet and all of the sites to buy dogs on it.

To say dont buy a dog except from a breeder who does all kinds of testing is crazy. Not everyone can afford that. That's like saying if you cant afford to buy from a breeder you shouldn't have a dog. Beings that "responsible" breeders will take back a dog if there are ANY problems.. why are there so many dogs in shelters? adopting dogs, then, seems to be supporting mills.. at least thats how it sounds.

BRAT fosters out B's that were once pet store dogs. Does that mean that they are supporting mills?

[WBL]

One of the things that we all need to do is help educate people to get pets from responsible breeders, there are still people out there that have NO CLUE that these dogs come from puppy mills. People are becoming more aware now a days, but there are those still out there with blinders on that think they are all healthy no matter where they come from.

[sharronhurlbut]

When you buy anything from food to toys to dogs from a shop that sells pets, then your keeping that shop in business.
If BRAT or any rescue group when it and bought a dog from the pet shop, they don't say, "oh, a rescue group bought it, lets not sell these anymore" they say, someone paid good money for this breed, lets get 2 or more in NEXT time.
All you can do is educate, inform the public re b's and ownership and p/u the b's that go to the shelters.
Shelters do not try to "restock" the dogs that move out to foster homes.
They are just glad for the help.
Do you see the difference?
THE more you pay for a dog from a pet shop, the next time there will be 2 more for sale.

[hdolbow]

to an extent.

but no one is answering my question. Do people that cant afford to buy from a breeder not deserve to have a dog?

Because i know most of my family and friends never bought from a breeder. I guess we're all supporting mills. Before this Fanconi test , which can come back indeterminate, ANY SINGLE BASENJI sold, from a breeder OR a puppy mill could have fanconi. Rocky was bought from a "reputable" breeder, and after arguing with her about Mia not being from tested parents, she told me he could have it because his mother was a carrier and his father is dead and cant be tested. So what happens now? absolutely nothing. he's my dog. Mia's my dog. I couldnt care less if they are sick or not. they will both be taken care of regardless.

Mia quite possibly could be from a puppy mill. But shes happy and healthy and thats all that matters to me. Sorry, i guess i'm a horrible dog owner, and i'll just stop arguing.

[lvoss]

@hdolbow:

so what happens when the dogs that are bought at a pet store are taken to shelters because they cant be taken care of and are re-homed because they are homeless? regardless those dogs are going to be adopted out again.

The cycle doesn't end because like it was posted before, the dogs either get sold for really cheap, or sent back to the breeder to be sold somewhere else or used to continue the problem. I dont understand how not buying from pet stores solves this problem at all. Especially with the internet and all of the sites to buy dogs on it.

To say dont buy a dog except from a breeder who does all kinds of testing is crazy. Not everyone can afford that. That's like saying if you cant afford to buy from a breeder you shouldn't have a dog. Beings that "responsible" breeders will take back a dog if there are ANY problems.. why are there so many dogs in shelters? adopting dogs, then, seems to be supporting mills.. at least thats how it sounds.

BRAT fosters out B's that were once pet store dogs. Does that mean that they are supporting mills?

First of all any dog that is adopted from a rescue or shelter is not supporting the mill that produced the dog. The miller has already gotten their money for that dog or even better didn't make any money from that dog because they couldn't place it and will be less likely to breed another litter. Every time a for profit breeder makes a profit for the sale of an animal irregardless of the reason it will only encourage more breeding for profit.

The statement that asking that anyone who is going to add a dog to their family to so by either 1. Buying from a responsible breeder or 2. Adopting from a rescue or shelter, is not crazy. A responsibly bred purebred is often less than half the price of a pet store puppy and the long term savings from the additional support and the lower risk of long term expensive inherited disorders is a significant benefit for buying from a responsible breeder. It is also important to stress if you can not afford the purchase price of a responsibly bred dog then you may be in trouble should your dog require any medical care and I think we have all shared enough stories to know that the likelihood that you will find you need emergency vet care at least once in the lifetime of your dog is pretty high. Rescue offers a lower cost option with the trade off of not knowing the background of your dog but if you bought from for profit breeder you would have little usable information on the background of your dog anyways so this way you are not supporting a cycle of irresponsibility.

[lvoss]

@hdolbow:

so what happens when the dogs that are bought at a pet store are taken to shelters because they cant be taken care of and are re-homed because they are homeless? regardless those dogs are going to be adopted out again.

The cycle doesn't end because like it was posted before, the dogs either get sold for really cheap, or sent back to the breeder to be sold somewhere else or used to continue the problem. I dont understand how not buying from pet stores solves this problem at all. Especially with the internet and all of the sites to buy dogs on it.

To say dont buy a dog except from a breeder who does all kinds of testing is crazy. Not everyone can afford that. That's like saying if you cant afford to buy from a breeder you shouldn't have a dog. Beings that "responsible" breeders will take back a dog if there are ANY problems.. why are there so many dogs in shelters? adopting dogs, then, seems to be supporting mills.. at least thats how it sounds.

BRAT fosters out B's that were once pet store dogs. Does that mean that they are supporting mills?

First of all any dog that is adopted from a rescue or shelter is not supporting the mill that produced the dog. The miller has already gotten their money for that dog or even better didn't make any money from that dog because they couldn't place it and will be less likely to breed another litter. Every time a for profit breeder makes a profit for the sale of an animal irregardless of the reason it will only encourage more breeding for profit.

The statement that asking that anyone who is going to add a dog to their family to do so by either 1. Buying from a responsible breeder or 2. Adopting from a rescue or shelter, is not crazy. A responsibly bred purebred is often less than half the price of a pet store puppy and the long term savings from the additional support and the lower risk of long term expensive inherited disorders is a significant benefit for buying from a responsible breeder. It is also important to stress if you can not afford the purchase price of a responsibly bred dog then you may be in trouble should your dog require any medical care and I think we have all shared enough stories to know that the likelihood that you will find you need emergency vet care at least once in the lifetime of your dog is pretty high. Rescue offers a lower cost option with the trade off of not knowing the background of your dog but if you bought from for profit breeder you would have little usable information on the background of your dog anyways so this way you are not supporting a cycle of irresponsibility.

[sharronhurlbut]

Heather, I so hope you don't think we are dissing you.
We are just trying to explain.
I don't breed or show, just do rescue. So, I know about the general public and where they get their dogs, the other on this list do as well.
Pet shops charge so much for a dog who health is ??? where a responsible breeder puts tons of time and heart into each litter they breed.
They don't sell "to just anyone" but your posts show me your not the general "I want" public.
Most pet shops pups are impulse buys with little thought into the health, or what is needed to raise a happy dog.
Its the puppy in the window…
So, you have a chance to get a blood test to find out what your dog has. The fanconis test is $60 and more work is being done each day.
I have done that on my 2 and its worth the price for me to have some
idea of what is coming.
None of us humans, dogs/ have a clear pass on total health until we die of old age.
BUT quality breeder just work so hard to stack the deck in the right place.
When we get pet shops dogs, we are not getting the information re total linage and health.
That is what buyer beware means.
Is that any more help.
I really want to help you be clear on this.
If we need to go private, please, lets do.

[renaultf1]

@hdolbow:

Before this Fanconi test , which can come back indeterminate, ANY SINGLE BASENJI sold, from a breeder OR a puppy mill could have fanconi.

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but indeterminate is between clear and carrier…not carrier and afflicted/probable afflicted. So if there is an inderminate, it is as good as clear or carrier as far as pet ownership is concerned. In a breeding situation, with an indeterminate, I believe a responsible breeder would wait for the new test to be made available before breeding an indeterminate dog if the plan was to breed it with a carrier.

And while your statement is true that ANY SINGLE BASENJI sold could have fanconi (prior to the DNA test that started last year)...prior to the test being available last year, reputable/responsible breeders weren't making breeding decisions without the consideration of fanconi and without researching the dogs in the pedigree lines...

My understanding from the test results that have been posted on OFA...while some results were surprises, many were what was expected. To me that says that many breeders did a good job of figuring out which lines/breedings ran the risk of fanconi and planned accordingly.

Puppy mill breedings do not take into account any health information...period...puppy mill breeding is purely for profit, it is as simple as that.

[sharronhurlbut]

I was thinking that is correct as well, but someone mentioned something about a random mutation or something like that??
I just can't remember the term they used.

[sharronhurlbut]

I was thinking that is correct as well, but someone mentioned something about a random mutation or something like that??
I just can't remember the term they used.

[sharronhurlbut]

Sorry for the double posts.

[Kebasmom]

Speaking of supporting pet stores that do not sell puppies and kittens - I was at the Petsmart in Frederick, MD this weekend. There was a guy out in the parking lot selling puppies out of his van. He had some of them in an exercise pen. The manager went out and booted him off the property.