Basenji Puppies UK
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replied to rachael on 25 Nov 2022, 19:53 last edited by elbrant
@rachael said in Basenji Puppies UK:
endorsements
Forgive my persistence, terms (and slang) in the UK do not always translate to mean the same thing in the USA. Plus, I (personally) do not breed or show, so.... I am unfamiliar with the term:"endorsements".
My confusion might be coming from your statement that both of your dogs are registered... if they are registered, why would you have to get permission to register their offspring? In other words, if the parents are registered, then isn't that proof enough that your pups are purebred?
What does the term "endorsements" mean in relation to registering your Basenji(s)? Clearly, it's referring to some sort of rights, but what are they? And, is this something that is related to the CKC, AKC, or is it specific to the UK/EU?
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replied to elbrant on 26 Nov 2022, 17:35 last edited by
@elbrant . Yes breeders in the UK can put endorsements on their puppies, usually to say they can't be bred or imported. I'm not a breeder either, when a dog has an endorsement on them, then yes you can breed your dogs. But the UK kennel club, will not register the pups. The only person, that can lift the endorsement. Is the breeder of the dog
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wrote on 27 Nov 2022, 18:49 last edited by
@rachael Did you sign a contract with your male's breeder? Technically at the time of purchase, you should have signed 2 copies of the contract and/or a separate document explaining the endorsement. The KC would require that information in order to look into your situation.
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wrote on 1 Dec 2022, 17:13 last edited by
Yes I signed a contract. I didn't have a copy. But I'm sure I would of signed to say I agree to the endorsements. I'd rather them.be kc registered. But as this was a mismate, I wasn't planning on breeding. I've posted this to really try and find good homes, for the pups. This is my main priority
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wrote on 2 Dec 2022, 01:54 last edited by
People stop in looking for pups all the time, I'm sure you will get some type of response. Make your email visible in your profile so they will have some way to contact you.
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replied to rachael on 3 Dec 2022, 22:01 last edited by
@rachael Well, if your breeder didn't follow the proper protocol of giving you a copy of the signed agreement and document explaining the endorsement stipulation at the time of purchase, then technically you could challenge it with the KC. You certainly could make your case with them. Whilst the thought of any KC lifting breeder endorsements makes me slightly uneasy, I do hear & understand your fear that these puppies wouldn't have that safety net of registration. Have you mentioned having already medically screened your male basenji to his breeder? Perhaps that could be helpful in persuading him to lift the endorsement. I would certainly reach out in a follow up with the breeder to try and resolve the unfortunate situation. This "mismate" is a misstep, and I would hope the puppies wouldn’t in any way suffer because of it. I agree with @elbrant Post the coming details here. I'm glad to know you won't post them on the free placement sites. Those can be terribly dodgy. Please keep the community here abreast of your situation as potential puppy parents will see this post, and you could help a future someone out who might have this exact issue.
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wrote on 4 Dec 2022, 19:56 last edited by
The only person that can remove endorsements is the breeder; Kc has no say in removing the endorsement if the breeder wants to keep them up
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replied to Éilis on 6 Dec 2022, 10:08 last edited by
@Éilis . Thank you. I've screened both mom and dad for PRA and fanconi. Both clear. My first basenji died of fanconi, so I know what an awful disease it is. I've also done a coefficient test. It's 0.5%. To be honest, although this wasn't meant to happen. I know that these pups will be of outstanding temperament. I will offer lifelong support for all pups and happily take them back, if it doesn't work. I've got 2 ladies interested one already has a B, so she knows all about them and the other has extensively researched, thank you all, for your help. I'm hoping that a few more people, from this site will register interest
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wrote on 8 Dec 2022, 23:22 last edited by
@Micah @rachael
A quick google search would provide this nuanced answer:
"Any endorsement may be lifted only with the permission in writing of the endorser or of a person with due authority from the endorser (in the event the endorser cannot give permission due to death or incapacity) or by resolution of the Kennel Club Board."This is a resource for inquiring about making your request to the KC:
https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/forms/application-to-lift-or-place-an-endorsement/@rachael Again, I would continue an honest dialogue with your male's breeder, and see if you can come to a resolution together. At least try to reach out once more as you never know. Perhaps agreeing to contractually neuter your male to ensure a mis-step will never occur again could help this outcome.
These endorsements are in place for so many important reasons to protect the breed; not least to safeguard from unplanned puppies or BYB.
I'm hoping for the best outcome for these puppies.
And of course, do keep the forum abreast of the situation, and the details of the forthcoming litter. I'm sure you can find great placements on this forum.
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replied to Éilis on 8 Dec 2022, 23:56 last edited by
@Éilis said in Basenji Puppies UK:
I would continue an honest dialogue with your male's breeder
Great advice... perhaps the males breeder could offer insights into breeding and information on preparing the pups for their new homes. (?) Just thinking that they may be more invested in relinquishing the endorsement if they have a hand in the outcome... or, perhaps, pick of the litter.
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wrote on 11 Dec 2022, 03:09 last edited by
Update! Puppies are here. 4 girls, 2 boys. Mom and babies, all doing well
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wrote on 11 Dec 2022, 04:19 last edited by
YAY!!! (please share pics as soon as Mom lets you)
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replied to elbrant on 11 Dec 2022, 13:46 last edited by
@elbrant . Thank you. I'm so proud of her. She did so well. We didn't need to do a thing. Did it all by herself. All arrived healthy and seem to be doing well. I've tried to upload a pic, she's really chilled with us all. I'm a technophobe. Will try and figure it out
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replied to rachael on 11 Dec 2022, 16:09 last edited by elbrant 12 Nov 2022, 16:11
@rachael said in Basenji Puppies UK:
I've tried to upload a pic
Use the "reply" link under the message to get the icon bar to appear.
The blue arrow points to the icon that allows you to link to a photo online (ex: Facebook). The orange arrow allows you to upload an image from your computer.
(note: I have not tested these on a mobile phone... theoretically, they should work the same way.)
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replied to elbrant on 11 Dec 2022, 22:14 last edited by
@elbrant . Thank you will try on my laptop. Whilst writing, can anyone point me in the right direction, regarding supervising. I didn't sleep at all last night. I'm sleeping in the same room with Ada and pups. I'm frightened to go to sleep, but obviously I can't go all week, with no sleep. Will she be OK with them? If I snatch 40 winks? Thank you
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