Everyone needs to talk about a spay/neuter... while in Europe it is not the "norm" to do so... however in the US it is.... that said waiting till the pup is mature is the best... but in the US we have issues with puppymills and Backyard breeders that breed/sell pups for profit... My contracts say that the pup needs to be spayed/neutered... and we talk about the age. Again, I will say that my puppy people are "Vetted" before getting a puppy, but many Puppymiller puppies and/or Backyard Breeders could not care if those pups were bred or not... nor are they health tested... so as they say "buyer beware". Responsible breeders stay in touch with the pups they place... the others... NOT... could not care less... OK I said my 2cents... And many in the US are not ready to keep a female that is in season... a short story about a friend that had 2 German Shepards... Male/Female in tact.... female came in season, so they locked to male in the backyard, female in their garage... the male "ate down the door to the garage to get to the female..".... puppies happened... no health testing either... IT HAPPENS... DO NOT THINK THAT IT WILL NOT! And I can tell you stories about males coming through windows in the home to get to a bitch in season....years ago we had a 12yr in-tact male lab 3 blocks over, he knew exactly when my Basenji bitches were in season... thankfully we had 12ft fences... but he was there every single day... not so for many homes that have fences this big... and if this boy was younger... I can bet he would have found a way over the fence
Someone dumped three b puppies
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Well, a family we trust has the 1st little boy and another is considering the little girl but the 3rd (girl) we could not catch and she was hit by a car this morning… makes me so angry, the dogs have been overfed and have their nails clipped so I am unsure why someone would choose to dump them like that.
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How sad….. glad to hear that at least 2 have made it..... How do you know the nail were clipped?.... and overfed? Just throwing something out... are they "fat" due to maybe worms?
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We took her to the vet and they said the nails were clipped…. also had her checked for worms and she does not have them... I think she was overfed because she is fat:o So that is just my opinion.
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She'snot pregnant, is she?
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well, if she is so is her little brother we placed Wed.
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Well, You never know! Maybe, hmmmmm,nah!
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That is true, if they are eight months, it is possible that she has been in season and her brother bred her… regardless if he is fat also, you might want to have the bitch watched or checked out just in case
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OK, SO i CALLED MY BREEDER AND SHE SAID THAT THE dogs were americanized Basenjis while mine was an Avangar (sp?) African Basenji. She said that the American ones were more squat and shorter. We did not pay for papers on our dog and she said we could pay her for them if we want to.. $200)
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It is against AKC policy for breeders to charge extra for papers. If the dog is from an AKC registered litter a breeder is supposed to give the buyer the puppy's registration papers at the time of purchase unless there are in the contract specifically stipulated obligations that must be fulfilled before they are released, such as, spay/neuter.
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OK, SO i CALLED MY BREEDER AND SHE SAID THAT THE dogs were americanized Basenjis while mine was an Avangar (sp?) African Basenji. She said that the American ones were more squat and shorter. We did not pay for papers on our dog and she said we could pay her for them if we want to.. $200)
Who is your breeder?
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OK, SO i CALLED MY BREEDER AND SHE SAID THAT THE dogs were americanized Basenjis while mine was an Avangar (sp?) African Basenji. She said that the American ones were more squat and shorter. We did not pay for papers on our dog and she said we could pay her for them if we want to.. $200)
As Lisa, it is not an acceptable practice by AKC rules to have people pay extra for the papers. All papers should go with the pup. This is also not an acceptable practice of the Basenji Club of America
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wow, I did not know that. She gave me the name of the mom and dad but said she did not register the litter because she just sold them as pets and to register my dog she would have to pay to register the whole litter. She said she sells her stud eveery year to prevent crossbreeding. The breeder's 1st name is Melinda and she lives in southern Illinois. I have her phone number and picked the puppy up in person so I hve her address also. The stud was already sold but his name is Achin-roth ( I am sure I am spelling that wrong). I do know she was ill at the time I bought our dog and had just had back surgery… that is why she was selling them at a reduced price. At the time I did not know enough about Basenjis to request paperwork.
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wow, I did not know that. She gave me the name of the mom and dad but said she did not register the litter because she just sold them as pets and to register my dog she would have to pay to register the whole litter. She said she sells her stud eveery year to prevent crossbreeding. The breeder's 1st name is Melinda and she lives in southern Illinois. I have her phone number and picked the puppy up in person so I hve her address also. The stud was already sold but his name is Achin-roth ( I am sure I am spelling that wrong). I do know she was ill at the time I bought our dog and had just had back surgery… that is why she was selling them at a reduced price. At the time I did not know enough about Basenjis to request paperwork.
I would be AMAZED, like eat my hat amazed if your dog is an Avongara dog. Avongaras are pretty tightly controlled by the breeders that have them…I can't imagine a breeder like the one you are describing getting her hands on one, let alone two. I would hazard a guess that your breeder lied to you on many accounts. It is possible (likely?) she did not register the litter with AKC because at least one of the parents is not AKC registered. She then most likely set the price for the papers so high, than no normal person would actually want to pay extra for them...so she never had to admit that the dogs couldn't be AKC registered. OR the dogs were sold to her on a Limited AKC registration...this means their breeder never intended for them to be bred, the breeder sold the pups with the intent that the would be spayed or neutered. AKC will not register pups born from dogs registered with Limited Registrations.
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This is why it is so very important that people research breeds and breeders before buying a pup… And PLEASE don't get me wrong, I am sure that you and others that have purchased their Basenjis from BYB (Back Yard Breeders or Pet stores whos pups come from Puppy Mills) love them very much... and that is a good thing. But you really have no idea about the back ground of your Basenji. Health, temperament, nothing... and honestly even if you have papers, unless you have a DNA test, you can't even be sure that the parents listed on those papers are for real. I know of a person in GA that purchased a male from a BYB that was getting out of Basenjis .... the Male was a Brindle.. the pedigree of this dog indicated that it was genetically totally impossible that this dog came from these parents and be a Brindle....
I know that many think that the price of a pup from responsible breeders is "too" high, but remember that we do lots of health testing before breeding, we put lots of money in to raising that litter the right way with socialization and not placing those pups until at least 8 to 10 wks old if not longer..OK... off the soap box!!!
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Avongaras are listed in the African Stock Project, http://www.basenji.org/african As Andrea said, breeders of Avongaras are pretty particular about their placements. A dog is only considered an Avongara if it is 100% from the 87/88 imports or the new 06 imports. When talking about Avongara blends most people usually consider less than 25% Avongara to have more influence from their more domestic heritage. If you know the spellings of you dog's sire and dam you can try looking them up in the pedigree database, http://pedigrees.zandebasenjis.com
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I guess I am just blessed to have gotten a great dog. I am not sure whether she is actually pulling my leg or not but since we are not planning to breed our boy then I am not going to pay her to register the litter. As far as what he looks like, he is taller and leaner than the others we found (actually he is the most gorgeous dog I have seen) but hey, I have nothing to prove so African or not he is def a purebred Basenji and I hope everyone on the board gives their dog as much love as our guy gets. I do thank God he doesn't have the bahavior issues I read about on here! LOL
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You should fine out for sure who his sire and dam is… might be some clues there for health information... also, this person should be made know since she is doing unethical business...
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I think at this point it's not really a huge matter of whether your dog is African, whether you want to register w/AKC, {nor how much love you give him}, but of doing something to get a handle on this breeder. If she's not breeding well, and if she's passing herself and her dogs as something they are not, she needs to be stopped.
And, as Tanza said, getting some picture as to the health history of your dog's family tree.
