I think Tanza is spot on. Not sure where you are, but the Basenji Nationals are in Tucson in November. Assuming it's possible, I can't think of a better way to find a good breeder than to attend.
Basenji Beagle Mix Male For Adoption 5mo In SW OK.
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Yeah most likely not. My dogs all eat Beneful. They love it and are all good weight.
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Beneful would not be on my list of preferred foods. Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry foods. Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water…..
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Oh yikes really? I think ima switch. Sucks only store that carries what I want to feed my dogs is an hr and a half away. I want to feed Taste of the Wild but I have to drive an hour away to get it.
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Beneful would not be on my list of preferred foods. Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry foods. Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water…..
We think this needs to be corrected. Corn is the primary ingredient in many dry foods. Just because it's canned dog food or wet with meat as the first ingredient does not mean that nutrients, or digestibility is much better. There are wet foods that can be just as full of fillers as many dry dog foods. You have to look at the whole nutritional value including all the contents ( wet or dry) to make a good decision about any dog food.
For example, we choose to feed Red Meat Evo. This is a meat based grain free dog food. From our personal research, Orijen and Fromms also make a good grain free dog food. These foods are either Meat based or Fish Based or both.
Evo is owned by Proctor and Gamble and is made in Nebraska. Orijen is made in Canada. Fromms is family owned and made in the US.
If you have to drive a great distance to get the food you want, with the price of gas it may work out to be less expensive if you order online and have it delivered to your door.
While these foods on the surface are more expensive, the nutrient dense content of the food allows you to feed your dog smaller quantities.
Below is a chart to a comparison of Red Meat Evo Small bites and Purina Beneful Original ( we had no idea what version of Beneful you feed)
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We think this needs to be corrected. Corn is the primary ingredient in many dry foods. Just because it's canned dog food or wet with meat as the first ingredient does not mean that nutrients, or digestibility is much better. There are wet foods that can be just as full of fillers as many dry dog foods. You have to look at the whole nutritional value including all the contents ( wet or dry) to make a good decision about any dog food.
I think this needs to be corrected. Wet food is generally less processed than dry food, and is less prone to being packed with fillers. Of course I am generalizing, but wet food, particularly canned food, will actually sustain life without a premix being added, which dry will not. Unless it's dehydrated. Which is what I use. Forget the fallacious arguments about dry being better for teeth. It isn't. Dry is better for cost and convenience. Period. Full stop. JMHO, but I have researched the subject pretty thoroughly…..
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I think this needs to be corrected. Wet food is generally less processed than dry food, and is less prone to being packed with fillers. Of course I am generalizing, but wet food, particularly canned food, will actually sustain life without a premix being added, which dry will not. Unless it's dehydrated. Which is what I use. Forget the fallacious arguments about dry being better for teeth. It isn't. Dry is better for cost and convenience. Period. Full stop. JMHO, but I have researched the subject pretty thoroughly…..
You are correct, you are generalizing. This is your original post "Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry food." As we have pointed out this is totally incorrect. Your second part "Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water….." can be true but is not always the case. There are some very good dry dog foods and some very bad wet dog foods.
The rest of what you have written here was never mentioned in your original response and does not change it.
We have no idea why what is better for teeth was even brought up. It had nothing to do with the original statement you made. We agree that Wet/ Canned are less processed than dry food, but again that was not part of the original statement you made.
While wet food made be less "PRONE" to being packed with fillers, that does not exclude them. Although corn may not be the primary ingredient in a wet food, it does not mean its not included along with other grains and fillers. Since you have researched the subject pretty thoroughly, you should already know this.
Anyway, the purpose of this thread is to find a new home for this puppy. So if you would like to discuss and debate this in another thread we will be more happy to do so.
The bottom line is that it is great that this puppy is in better care, is getting the medical attention, and fed on a regular basis. Lets hope that a new forever home comes along soon.
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For Anubis- I feed Fromms and use doggiefood.com and the delivery is either free or 4.95$…. I really like their service and they offer some great brands!
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You are correct, you are generalizing. This is your original post "Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry food." As we have pointed out this is totally incorrect.
Really? Beneful dry ingredients: Ground yellow corn, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, whole wheat flour, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), salmon, rice flour, soy flour, meat and bone meal, water, propylene glycol, sugar, soybean oil, animal digest, tricalcium phosphate, phosphoric acid, salt, calcium phosphate, potassium chloride, sorbic acid (a preservative), dried green beans, dried carrots, calcium propionate (a preservative), l-Lysine monohydrochloride, choline chloride, Vitamin E supplement, zinc sulfate, dL-Methionine, ferrous sulfate, red 40, manganese sulfate, yellow 5, yellow 6, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, blue 2, calcium carbonate, copper sulfate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, garlic oil, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, biotin, sodium selenite.
Your second part "Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water….." can be true but is not always the case. There are some very good dry dog foods and some very bad wet dog foods.
Again, I was referring specifically to Beneful. And the remark was accurate.
Water sufficient for processing, chicken, wheat gluten, liver, rice, meat by-products, corn starch-modified, carrots, peas, barley, artificial and natural flavors, calcium phosphate, salt, soy flour, potassium chloride, added color, zinc sulfate, choline chloride, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, manganese sulfate, Vitamin A supplement, niacin, calcium pantothenate, Vitamin B-12 supplement, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, potassium iodide, Vitamin D-3 supplement, folic acid, sodium selenite, biotin
For the rest, I was contributing some thoughts on food that I agree might be better placed in another thread, which could also apply to your attempt to "educate" me.
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Really? This is pretty simplistic eeeefarms. You never stated you were referring to Beneful only until this last post. Nice try, but you started off with a general statement and now you want to be specific in attempt to save face. Sorry it does not work that way.
We have no interest in educating you. We are more than happy to let someone else bear that cross and responsibility. All you have succeed in doing by your last post is to continue to hijack this thread and push the thread off topic.
Please take it to another thread and lets get back to the health, welfare, and safety of this dog.
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If you reread eeefarms original post ( which you also quoted) you would see the beneful was the specific food of reference not ALL foods, I think you misread therefore you would be wrong. In addition, I don't think it's fair to point fingers about getting off topic when you were the one who had to "set the record straight about the food topic"…you tend to start debates and then use the off thread topic excuse as if it's the other persons fault.
Originally Posted by eeeefarm
Beneful would not be on my list of preferred foods. Corn is the primary ingredient in THE ( referring to benefits dry food lines) dry foods. WET ( referring to benefuls wet food line) are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water.....The statement would have read ALL foods not the food if referring more than the topic brand
Perhaps this will read better:
Beneful would not be on my list of preferred foods BECAUSE Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry foods WHEREAS THE Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water..... -
Thanks, Chealsie508, exactly right, and what was intended. I was referring only to Beneful, because that was the food mentioned by the OP. I made a brief assessment of that food, but the thread got dragged well and truly off topic by a long winded reply disputing my post, which I then replied to so I guess I can share the blame for the thread hijack, but I didn't originate it.
Hope the pup finds a good home with someone who will take proper care of it, including nutritional care.
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I'm sure he will, following Anibus's posts she has done a lot for the pups and is committed to the right home…I always melt when I see black and whites ( mixes or not)...Ive always wanted a red and white bit having Oakley, I see black and white and I melt!
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@Anubis's:
He's in a great home now and will be adopted out to a responsible owner now.
Anubis's Mommy… you are right about him being in good hands right now: yours!
I admire you for being a responsible "breeder", even though this litter was originally not planned. Despite the dogs being a Mix....
you aren't treating him like a Mutt that should be banned to the dog shelter.If this little tyke could talk, I'd bet he'd baroo/howl "THANK YOU!!!!"
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If you reread eeefarms original post ( which you also quoted) you would see the beneful was the specific food of reference not ALL foods, I think you misread therefore you would be wrong. In addition, I don't think it's fair to point fingers about getting off topic when you were the one who had to "set the record straight about the food topic"…you tend to start debates and then use the off thread topic excuse as if it's the other persons fault.
Chelasie maybe you need to go back and re-read. Take the time to look at how the sentence is written. At no time was Beneful mentioned in the dry or wet food statements. You are right, its not fair to point fingers when we asked several times to bring the thread back on topic.
In fact go back to the original comment in regard to food. The comment made was in response to the nutrition of the puppy and nothing more. Once you actually go back to that point then maybe you might actually see who took this off topic.
Last but least, we do not use the off topic tangents that originate with others as an excuse to blame them or place fault. We do however point out when it happens. Its very nice that you are defending your online friend. eeeefarms in particular clearly seems to love debates. Chelasie if you have not noticed by now, it takes more than one person to have a debate.
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eeeefarms in particular clearly seems to love debates. Chelasie if you have not noticed by now, it takes more than one person to have a debate.
There is a difference between debating and setting the record straight.
This was the statement made by Anubis's Mommy:
@Anubis's:
Yeah most likely not. My dogs all eat Beneful. They love it and are all good weight.
This is the reply I gave, referencing the food she was using:
Beneful would not be on my list of preferred foods. Corn is the primary ingredient in the dry foods. Wet are somewhat better, with actual meat as the first ingredient after water…..
From the context, it is obvious that the subject is Beneful foods. Further, anyone who understands basic English grammar would know the second sentence in the reply refers to the subject of the first sentence. Otherwise the "the" would have been omitted. It isn't good writing to continuously include the subject in every succeeding sentence. And nobody on this board would misinterpret the statement, since obviously there are many, many dry foods out there that are grain free.
Anubis's Mommy, I am so sorry for the thread hijack. Please let us know when your little guy finds a new home.
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Farm: He has been adopted…but sadly his sister Keiko came back. Owner didnt research Basenji's enough...she took on the more Basenji characteristics...not just looks but her mannerisms. She escaped her crate and tore her house to shreds...but upon further questioning she told me she works a lot therefor Keiko was crated most of the day. No wonder she got bored. So she gave her back to me. So she will be available for adoption. This is the 2nd pup of mine who has been turned, Sad
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No one thinks before adopting a puppy.Very true. People get caught up in the "cuteness" and underestimate the work involved. This is why, especially with a "difficult" breed, it helps if you can find someone with previous experience. They know what they are getting into, and are far less likely to return the dog. I hope you have good luck finding the right person for Keiko. Being crated all day is just not a good scenario, so perhaps she is lucky she was returned to you for that second chance at the right fit.
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You might want to start a new thread with a current picture of her.
Sorry, I just saw the new thread!
Jennifer
