Asfa ii

[sinbaje]

I heard through the grapevine that 2 basenjis were DQ'd and 2 were dismissed at the ASFA Int'l Invitational for minor infractions as bumping. Does anyone know who these dogs were? Thanks in advance.

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[lisastewart]

Yep, mine and Carrries were Dq'd, one of Joels girls was dismissed for a minor bump coming into the finish not sure on the 4th as we left early due to injury on another dog. Carries girl was in the first run of Fch basenjis with my boy Trog. They all became unsighted in the middle of the field. Callie approached Trog, he showed butt, they bowed and proceded to run circles. The judges called this agression from Callie and Dq'd her for fighting even though no contact was ever made. The next run was Xander, the pully broke midfield, all dogs stopped and came to us, we restarted, the second run thru on the last corner Xander and Osirus were running neck and neck as the bunny turned, Xander plowed into Osirus, neither dog turned its head or vered off course, they ran straight to their owners and walked off the field. When I went out to talk to the judges they told me Xander had jumped the other dog coming in to the finish. I asked what I should do for retraining and they said run him again with that dog, let the other dog take the lead, and if Xander does not course him, he is ok to recert. Xander was not coursing him during the run, he plowed into him on a sharp turn, not sure how that related. I am quite pissed as I asked the club what I could do and all they said was go out and talk to the judges to find out what they saw, they did not tell me I could file a protest at the trial. My whippet started having heat seizures later in the day and after pestering the FTS all day for what can I do next, I forgot to followup until we had gone home with the sick whippet as the vet recommended getting her home. When I talked to the FT chair yesterday by phone, he said they never overturn a judges call and all we could do was submit a juges letter of irregularity, which I have done via mail today. This is Xanders first DQ, we will do our retraining and recert runs in July, but I will never run him in ASFA again and risk that second DQ, we will stay in AKC where he has a clean record. They have effectively ended the running career of 3 of the top 4 dogs in the country at this trial.

[tanza]

For what it is worth, doesn't sound to me like reason's to DQ….

That said, it use to be if DQ'ed either AKC or ASFA, then you were DQ'ed both, but I don't think that they (AKC and/or ASFA) have followed up on that for years....

[lisastewart]

We had 4 judges working lure, huntmaster and in the paddock, none of them would have even called the DQs a dismissal. We hope to get recerted in July, just sitting out the 30 days and doing the retraining. Its only ASFA and CSFA who prevents DQs from crossing over. Per Bob Mason, AKC will allow DQ's from other organizations to run, I know someone who asked this last yr so her dog could use AKC as retraining for her recert request on an ASFA DQ.

[lvoss]

The judges that DQ'd the basenjis don't sound like judges I would want to enter under in any organization.

[lisastewart]

The SDs and IGs were treated poorly too. My husband worked the paddock on that field all day and he said borzois were allowed reruns for losing the lure at exactly the same spot as the open basenjis, who had the course called, and were given low scores. Not equal treatment at all.

[sinbaje]

I am sorry to hear that the rumors were true. I assume there were two judges and both marked them as DQ's. Best to find out (share) their names and never run under either.

While AKC does not recognize ASFA DQ's - ASFA does recognize AKC DQ's but relies on the owners honesty re: them. This from the horse's mouth when I queried them a few months ago.

Since you do not plan to run ASFA again - why bother with the recert process?

Bummer all around. :O(

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[lisastewart]

Next yr our focus is going to be canadian coursing in Ontario and in order to run there the DQ has to be worked off. I will allow him to run with Trog or in Singles, I have whippets who want to continue running, just won't run Xander with others to be safe. He is 61 pts from his LCM, would like to go ahead and get that this yr. 75% of the events we attend, we are the whole fch entry. We are driving 800 miles to Colorado this weekend to run NOTRA because every time I tried to run in the midwest Trog got nailed after the line by other dogs, I took Xander up to NY last yr for his first NOTRA adventures and we really enjoyed watching him run safely with all of Trogs 7 relatives, no problems at all. Its a shame that for safe racing we have to either drive to NY or go to CO/NM. We can only make a couple cross country trips a yr, so ASFA and AKC are it for the rest of the performance events. We have just started competing in Rally, one RN so far, 3 more to get thru, then on to the next level. Nearest agility is 100 miles for classes, I'm taking one session in July to learn the foundations there. then hopefully progesss into Agility. We had already planned to taper off the coursing after this year as Trog is getting older and his hips really hurt him if he runs too much as he has arthritis already at 4 and a half.

[sinbaje]

I am all to familiar having to deal with excess travel to find any kind of coursing or racing which is safe to do. I envy those folks who have both in their own "back yard" and are able to bring a kennel worth of entrants for some serious points no less! Not sure it means as much to me besting my own dogs but it would certainly be cheaper and easier in the long run - plus the added bonus of knowing my kidz can run safe and unmolested.

Ouch! Having arthritis in the hips is not normal in a 4.5 year old - not even in a dog coursing as much as Trog does. I can say - being in my field - if he is bad now, he will be much, much worse as he gets older; owners often do not look/think ahead when it comes to joint health in elder animals while the pet is still young and building blocks are easier to create and maintain. And dogs with chronic pain rarely show it, instead becoming desensitized to it - it becomes easy for us humans to then assume they are without pain/discomfort when they are.

I hope he is on some sort of joint support now (the best - which is double blind studied is CosamineDS/Cosequin.) The human version - Cosamine works great - found at Costco, Walgreens, online. You will need to do a loading dose for 6 weeks, then taper to a maintenance dose. Having spoken with clients who are themselves on Cosamine - they say that it really does help.

Good luck in all of your goals and endeavors for the next year. Sorry again about Xander.

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[lisastewart]

trog takes a ostarplex supplement from standard process and Trixsym for the occasional inflamation. We take him to the chiropractor for adjustments monthly, he always has one place in his back l4 or l5 that needs to be put back in, and usually either a hip or a shoulder will be out. We normally only run Trog one day a month so he can get plenty of rest between events. The rest of the time its Xander and the 2 whippets alternating who runs what. His next chiropractor visit is next week, I'll ask his Dr if the supplements you mention would be of benefit in addition to the ones he takes now. He is fine when on the supplements and a regular exercise routine, it was before the supplements that he really had a lot of pain in his hip area after running.
Trog was born with his front paws curled under and he is quite severely cow hocked, so we make sure that he does not overdue it. When he runs with Xander, Xander noticibly slows down so Trog does not get too far behind, he takes care of his brother.

[sinbaje]

Sounds like you take good care of him. Standard Process is good stuff. I assume your Doc does Nutritional response testing via kinseology(sp)? If yes, then s/he can easily muscle test if Cosamine would be good for him in addition to his SP supplement.

Good luck.

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