• @pedro:

    "what are you talkin about!??? do you ever watch cecar the dog whisper? if i'm not the alpha then who is!????? sure not the dog!!!!!> i will not have a dog that will control my life style!!> there's different ways of being the alpha to different kinds of breeds!.but if your not alhpa then your out of your mind!. just like in a pack there always 1 alhpa in the pack. !!. please explaine this to me.

    It has been totally proven that doing an alpha roll is the worst thing that you can do. You are setting yourself up to fail and the dog too. Those of us that believe in possitive reinforcement training all believe this is not the way to train a dog. Alpha rolling is very, very old school. And without starting another flurry of like/dislike, many of us do not approve of the "dog whispers" methods. However we all agree that dogs should not and should not aloud to be an "alpha" in the human pack. But there are better ways to teach behaviors.

    In Sharron's post there was nothing said about the human not being the "alpha" in the pack, just that the "alpha roll" is not a good method of training


  • I think the problem here comes from the misuse of the word roll, when the poster meant ROLE. As in "you must take the alpha role so that your dog will follow your lead."

    Not as in "perform the alpha roll so your dog knows you are the boss, and can force him to submit."


  • So what is the right way to train???>please explaine more!!.


  • If there's a pack of dog any kind. Watch them and you will see that if the alhpa doesn't want a dog in the pack to do something then the alhpa will let that one dog know.


  • Actually, if you read references published on this website, http://positively.com/positive-reinforcement/the-science-behind-the-philosophy/, that modern science and trainers have found that dominance theory is not correct. David Mech the person who first published work on dominance theory has stated there were some pretty significant factors he didn't account for when he published his original theory and his new observations do not support Dominance Theory in wolves.

    Several people on this list live with or have lived with multiple dogs, enough that most would consider it a "pack". I know in my observations the dynamics of the "pack" are fluid, changing with the situation and the resource of interest.


  • k, i have question for you then i take my b boy to the park to play with other dogs but if there's a doberman in there he goes nuts and wants to fight that breed, because he was attacked before by one but i have to correct him and then he will head hunt this dog till i get mad at him and tip his butt and tell him no it's not going to happen!!. then and only then will he stop head hunting the doberman.!!.


  • Punishment can work to deter a behavior but it can also increase aggression. Also punishing a dog for giving low level distance increasing signals will increase the likelihood that the dog will escalate to higher level signals and bites.

    If your dog is not comfortable at the dog park when Dobermans are there then you shouldn't be there when there are Dobermans. Rolling him over is only reinforcing that the Doberman is a "bad thing" because every time he is around your dog gets rolled over.


  • when there is a doberman in the park i take my guy or the other guy goes to the other side of the park there they can get to know eachother throught the fence!!. but i just cant have them on the same side of the fence!!. and he's like that to the doberman is because he was attacted by one there!!. that don't come out there any more but he seems to thank all are mean and he goes on the defens with them now!.but now just this past fall he was getting to be friends with a doberman named toby and they played together for a 1/2 hour!!. the other doberman thats goes there is kinda standoffish trys to test other dogs there. and his owner don't know what to do to stop this behavior! just they chase eachother through the fence! and only throught the fence!.


  • Taking your basenji to a gentle basic obedience class will help you and your b learn to work together. Its very important for the basenji to trust his owner. If the owners are not consistant, then the b will have issues. Training any new dog with a class is the way to build a loving relationship.


  • thed only thing is if there are other dogs there he might try to fight or want to play mostly !!!!! do they do it with just me & him? and how much is a training class!!. thanks so much for all the help!.


  • Basic obedience classes prices vary, but you can ask your vet if he knows of one.
    There are often a few other folks there, but your b is on a leash, and he learns to watch you and the signals you give. He learns to be with other dogs with out playing for fighting.
    Its very good all round stuff. Let us know what you find and how it goes.


  • Here is a good place to start to find a good basic obedience instructor.

    http://www.ccpdt.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&Itemid=16


  • I will look around then and thanks soooooooo , sooooooo, soooo much!!. This is helping me very much.!!!!! I was told by another breeder i talked to and she was telling me that there are very mean people on her that will give me a bad attitued over me wanting to breed my boy because he's a pet store basenji!!.


  • Darn it ! There are none close to me atall!!!!!!>


  • Here would be my second recommendation for searching for a trainer, http://www.apdt.com/petowners/ts/default.aspx


  • thanks i will look around because i need something close and not just anyone but someone that knows the basenji breed! not to many people do know the breed!!!!>


  • tanza,i got the resaults !not good he's at risk! what does that mean exsackly???> does it mean he has it or is going to get the fanconi disease???> please help and if he gets it what can i do to help him live a good life???>


  • What was the result? Probably Affected?


  • Affected can be hard news to take, but there are ways to watch for issues, and some b's, altho showing affected, never have fanconi crop up.
    So, there is lots of help here, don't lose hope.


  • it was risk!!!!. my mind is in a whirl wind!!!>

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