Rare Brindle Basenji?????

[JazzysMom]

@tanza:

We all know that Brindle is NOT rare… can you say BYB? Yes and of course someone will fall for it, same as some of the BYB's that charge more for a full white collar...

I tried to send an email, but my computer kept saying there were too many "@"'s in the address. WTH?

The charge for the pups is $850, so I am wondering if that is high for the winnepeg area? I mean, here that'd be normal. Do you think she is charging more than the going rate because they are "rare"? Or just using that as a selling point?

[Barklessdog]

To the everyday person who even knows what a basenji is any color other than red is rare.

Everyone always comments on how they never saw a tricolor basenji before.

Any Basenji knowledgeable person knows no color is really rare, or worth more money.

I think the add is targeting ordinary people who don't know better. Also $850 if they are decent stock does not seem too high to me?

[lvoss]

Many people only know that basenjis come in red/white. I had one person stop on the street to comment on my dogs, "Nice basenji and basenji mix". The "basenji" was Nicky and the "basenji mix" was Rally. I corrected the man and told him they were both basenjis. He told me that who ever sold me Rally lied, because basenjis do not come in black and white so she had to be a mix. I told him that basenjis have come in black and white since they '60s and she was a AKC Dual Champion. He then basically accused me of lying and probably would have continued to insist that I was wrong if his friends hadn't started to leave him behind.

I have had other people make comments like "I didn't know they came in black and white" and others who thought Rally was a mix though they actually believed me when I told them she is purebred.

[Basenji_Boy]

It does amaze me when people tell me they didn't know they came in B/W. My favorite color!:)

I don't even begin to tell them what a saddle is….that's way to much.:D

I never had anyone argue the point.

[TuckerVA]

Is the 'newer' pointed-brindle tricolor any more rare? According to what I read, these are the latest 'new' color B's out of Africa (from the 80's, I think?). Hailing only 40 miles from the original imports. I read a description and it sounds like a regular brindle to me, just a fancy name…

I originally wanted to adopt a black and white and there were actually few on BRAT's site when I was looking. However, since it was an adoption, I had some non-negotiables which included the B NOT being house destructive, being housetrained and being 5 years old or younger. Tucker was one of the few that met this criteria! Buy we all know that even then, you have no idea what you are getting in to.

As for the email I sent them, I only feel partially bad. While the price doesn't seem to bad in retrospect (at least not for a registered line), it was a bit higher than an average that I saw. Lots of prices seem to hover around 600, but perhaps that is just from people who's be got knocked up and had a litter... Additionally, brindles aren't considered rare. There's SIX of them up for adoption on BRAT's site right at this moment. (One B&W as well)

[WBL]

@lvoss:

Many people only know that basenjis come in red/white. I had one person stop on the street to comment on my dogs, "Nice basenji and basenji mix". The "basenji" was Nicky and the "basenji mix" was Rally. I corrected the man and told him they were both basenjis. He told me that who ever sold me Rally lied, because basenjis do not come in black and white so she had to be a mix. I told him that basenjis have come in black and white since they '60s and she was a AKC Dual Champion. He then basically accused me of lying and probably would have continued to insist that I was wrong if his friends hadn't started to leave him behind.

I have had other people make comments like "I didn't know they came in black and white" and others who thought Rally was a mix though they actually believed me when I told them she is purebred.

I know how you feel on that point, only with my boxer. I had a guy in Petsmart argue with me to NO end that Reggie was an American Bulldog and I was lied to about him being a boxer. I wanted so bad to walk away but I was at the stupid machine to make tags and waiting on it. Finally I lost my cool and told him he could shove his idea where the sun don't shine and I know what breed of dog Reggie is and its to bad that is is so bleep bleepin ignorant that he had to keep arguing with me.

[tanza]

@TuckerVA:

Is the 'newer' pointed-brindle tricolor any more rare? According to what I read, these are the latest 'new' color B's out of Africa (from the 80's, I think?). Hailing only 40 miles from the original imports. I read a description and it sounds like a regular brindle to me, just a fancy name…

I originally wanted to adopt a black and white and there were actually few on BRAT's site when I was looking. However, since it was an adoption, I had some non-negotiables which included the B NOT being house destructive, being housetrained and being 5 years old or younger. Tucker was one of the few that met this criteria! Buy we all know that even then, you have no idea what you are getting in to.

As for the email I sent them, I only feel partially bad. While the price doesn't seem to bad in retrospect (at least not for a registered line), it was a bit higher than an average that I saw. Lots of prices seem to hover around 600, but perhaps that is just from people who's be got knocked up and had a litter... Additionally, brindles aren't considered rare. There's SIX of them up for adoption on BRAT's site right at this moment. (One B&W as well)

They would be called Trindle (brindle pointed tris).. and they are only rare in the fact that it depends on what you are breeding… case in point, right now on the West Coast we have loads of Tris, Blacks, and Brindle showing where in years past Reds were dominate

[Barklessdog]

To me, the Trindle is a little too much, as it starts to muddy the brilliant Tri's markings, which to me look super crisp.

Add black streaks and it just makes them look less brilliant to me.

Now the cream basenji would be something.

[Basenji_Boy]

Trindle, It isn't an accepted color/pattern is it?

[tanza]

@Basenji_Boy:

Trindle, It isn't an accepted color/pattern is it?

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say... All comes to personal choice as I see it... I don't like Trindle, never did, never will, but that doesn't mean that there are not nice ones out there and there are champion trindles too. And that doesn't mean that I would not consider using a Trindle (as I co-bred with Lisa as proof to that)... But I would not particularly go out of my way to produce one... it all comes down to what is best for the bitch you are breeding... health, temperament, conformation, etc...

[Basenji_Boy]

@tanza:

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say...

What's a DQ?

[WBL]

@Basenji_Boy:

What's a DQ?

Disqualification I believe

[TuckerVA]

DQ = Disqualification…

I think THIS Basenji has a REALLY unique coat...

I know that look. He's thinking… "Please leave the room so I can shred this awful coat!"

[WBL]

LMAO now I have never seen such a unique coat on a basenji before, now that must be the rare leopard basenji

[TuckerVA]

Yes! They come from breeding a Basenji with a Leopard and an Eskimo! AKA: The Baleopimo.

(no offense to any eskimos here…or leopards, for that matter...)

[gbroxon]

@WBL:

LMAO now I have never seen such a unique coat on a basenji before, now that must be the rare leopard basenji

Oh, no! That is a leopard-patterned tri Basenji with a full butt collar! I see them all the time! BYBs and puppymillers charge bookoo bucks for full butt collars!

[Basenji_Boy]

@tanza:

We have NO DQ's for color in our breed standard… so it is "accepted" per say... All comes to personal choice as I see it... I don't like Trindle, never did, never will, but that doesn't mean that there are not nice ones out there and there are champion trindles too. And that doesn't mean that I would not consider using a Trindle (as I co-bred with Lisa as proof to that)... But I would not particularly go out of my way to produce one... it all comes down to what is best for the bitch you are breeding... health, temperament, conformation, etc...

I've only ever seen one and it was this past summer…..they tell me the judge gave the person a hard time about it. I can't confirm that.

I just thought it looked like a cloudy Tri. I didn't think it looked that good.

[lvoss]

@Basenji_Boy:

I've only ever seen one and it was this past summer…..they tell me the judge gave the person a hard time about it. I can't confirm that.

I just thought it looked like a cloudy Tri. I didn't think it looked that good.

As with most brindles, I think the overall look depends on the quality of the stripes. I have seen some nicely marked Trindles and some that just look muddy. Some judges have made a big deal about the color because it is not explicitly described in our standard. AKC has argued that the wording for a tri color dog in our standard is loose enough to include brindle pointed tri. Fanciers argue round and round on the point. Since color is something that everyone can see it is something that everyone has an opinion on.

[TuckerVA]

If you google the 'trindle' or pointed brindle tri, there isn't a whole lot to see. To me it looks like a tricolor with only markings in the 'red' portion of the coat. Is there such a thing as a tri with the red markings in the black part of the coat? Like stripes? Most stripes I've seen are black on red, not red on black.

[Basenji_Boy]

@lvoss:

As with most brindles, I think the overall look depends on the quality of the stripes. I have seen some nicely marked Trindles and some that just look muddy. Some judges have made a big deal about the color because it is not explicitly described in our standard. AKC has argued that the wording for a tri color dog in our standard is loose enough to include brindle pointed tri. Fanciers argue round and round on the point. Since color is something that everyone can see it is something that everyone has an opinion on.

So it's up to the individual judge?