Please read this post, http://basenjiforums.com/showthread.php?t=613
There is more to good health then current condition of the dog. Your girl has not led an easy life. If there was trouble with the pregnancy are you prepared to lose not only the puppies but Roxy as well? Even when a dog is bred who has been given the best care and everything is done right, there is a risk to the dam.
If you love this breed and the traits that Roxy has brought into your life, then the best thing you can do for her and yourself is become educated about the breed. Here is the personal experience of someone whose heart was forever captured by the breed because of a mix, http://www.apubasenjis.com/thestoryofapu.html
Well…there will be no breeder here willing to 'help out'. No responsible breeder will stud their dog out to a possible basenji mix bitch, because someone wants puppies just like her....
are you by any chance, a troll? This sounds like a text book troll post to get everyone all fired up
If you aren't a troll, I apologize, and would direct you to the many threads here about why breeding is a huge responsibility, it is something you do to preserve and/or improve a breed, not because you love your dog, and you want to see ones just like her; or because your kids want to see the miracle of birth; This in no way impunes your integrity as some one committed to rescue...but honestly most rescue people will shudder to read your post.
Refusing to stud to your bitch has nothing to do with outwaivers, or liability, or reputation...it has to do with not protecting the breed. Caretakers of the breed just don't do that
Very well put Andrea… and I would vote for a "Troll"..... buy a movie if you want your kids to see birth.. but make sure you get the one where there are whelping problems, trips to the ER Vet... C-section, loss of pups, Mom or all... the say you just want them to see "birth of pups"... that is NO reason to breed, period... along with the fact that you are breeding a dog that has no health testing, not even sure what kind of dog, and way to young if what I read was correct and this bitch is only 9 months old.... As was said you will find no RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS that would stud their dog...
I already got an email. Maybe things will work out.
As far as I'm concerned, it's the pure breds with the most health problems. Inbreeding tends to do that. While I'm not a dog breeder, I did pass 9th grade biology.
The above posters write as if their opinion of me matters. It really doesn't and "real" dog rescuers…whatever that is...whether or not they choose to breed a dog-not my issue!
Very well put Andrea… and I would vote for a "Troll"..... buy a movie if you want your kids to see birth.. but make sure you get the one where there are whelping problems, trips to the ER Vet... C-section, loss of pups, Mom or all... the say you just want them to see "birth of pups"... that is NO reason to breed, period... along with the fact that you are breeding a dog that has no health testing, not even sure what kind of dog, and way to young if what I read was correct and this bitch is only 9 months old.... As was said you will find no RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS that would stud their dog...
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not a troll, but not a snob either…sounds like we could insert "profitable" for "responsible" on this thread!
Wow, I'm feeling sorry for these dogs. Make yourself sound like experts and then believe each other. I'm a farm girl so all of this whelping junk and ER stuff is a little funny.
And, not only don't you know two from to from too...you're not a good reader either. 9 months when I found her.
I'm done here. If your answer is "no, I can't help" you don't need to respond.
WOW-what a response. Get out much? Rhetorical.
@Roxy:
Wow, I'm feeling sorry for these dogs. Make yourself sound like experts and then believe each other. I'm a farm girl so all of this whelping junk and ER stuff is a little funny.
How incredibly rude and heartless. To belittle the experience of someone who did have to take their dog to an emergency vet at 3am who was told one pup was already dead and a second probably would be dead by the time surgery occured. I am sorry but even nearly 1 year later, such a careless and insensitive statement has me near tears thinking about the black and white boy that was born alive via C-section at the emergency vet but whose heart just gave out from the stress. That loss will always sting and every day I am so thankful to still be have my girl and to have her lovely daughter and visit be able to visit with her two living sons.
Roxy- I'm not a breeder and am not as knowledgeable about Basenji's as the very smart people on this forum, but aside from that I would like to say you are very rude and immature, simply put. Insulting breeders and owners on this site is uncalled for. These people are trying to help you and the breed.
@Roxy:
I'm a farm girl so all of this whelping junk and ER stuff is a little funny.
QUOTE]Not buying that line either. A real farm girl would have seen problem pregnancies in animals of all sorts –farmers often lose puppies, calves, foals, kids... you name it, and would know that these people know what they're talking about.
It's wonderful that after owning four dogs in 40 years you are an expert as to what dogs are best for breeding, and which dogs carry the most genetic problems. Takes most breeders a while to gain that much expertise!
How incredibly rude and heartless. To belittle the experience of someone who did have to take their dog to an emergency vet at 3am who was told one pup was already dead and a second probably would be dead by the time surgery occured. I am sorry but even nearly 1 year later, such a careless and insensitive statement has me near tears thinking about the black and white boy that was born alive via C-section at the emergency vet but whose heart just gave out from the stress. That loss will always sting and every day I am so thankful to still be have my girl and to have her lovely daughter and visit be able to visit with her two living sons.
I'm really sorry that someone would even write something like that given all you went thru and shared w/everyone about your whole experience. The comment was totally out of line. I read your original thread long before I was a member here and long before I had Ruby, and it still makes me sad to think about it…and I didn't personally go thru it.
I didn't see the first post…but the reactions from knowledgable members makes it sound very bad indeed.
This person wants to breed a mix basenji?
Why? Was that ever answered?
I didn't see the first post…but the reactions from knowledgable members makes it sound very bad indeed.
This person wants to breed a mix basenji?
Why? Was that ever answered?
Because her dog (Roxy, a mix) was "wonderful and there should be 100 more like her)." Also, her business partner wanted one just like her and her kids wanted a puppy and she wanted them to experience the birth process :rolleyes:.
Since the original post was deleted by her and all of her subsequent ones as well, I'm guessing that answers the question about a "troll". I'm no basenji, but the whole thing didn't quite pass the "sniff test" :D.
Or the smart test.
Mixes don't throw true re puppies yes?
Purebreds are the ones who's pups look like the parents.
kids and birth process - my yelled and ran out of the room and were horrified at the obvious discomfort of there darling girl - there only piece of enlightenmet was:
"look she slimed one" and one of my kids telling the teacher "I can use the word bitch because we raise show dogs".
"So my kids can watch the birth process" is one of the most over used phrases by people who breed random dogs and cats for no real reason.
More low quality animals are produced for that reason than any other, I'd wager.
Well, that and the desire to essentially "clone" a beloved family pet, which never actually works out that way.
Then you have people getting irritated because the dog doesn't behave like "Princess" did.
Until my Basenjis, every dog I've ever owned has been a rescue of sort sort or another. No matter how fabulous a pet they were, they were ALWAYS spayed/neutered, enjoyed and thoroughly missed when they died.
I never would have dreamed of breeding them.
Of course, I don't dream of breeding my Basenjis either – and they are both magnificent animals!!!!
My all breed dog rescue club has a letter, a bit long, about why NOT to breed.
Its sent to someone like the person who started this post.
I will share it with you all if your interested, or you can post to me privately.
Sharron, please post it. I think it would be a good thing for all to see…
Also, a site for sharing with the family who want to show the children the joy of birth!
One of the greatest things I found to drive the point home was a link I
originally saw on the Afrikenji website:
http://www.learntobreed.com/miracle.html
and
My friend sent this to me. It is way too good to not share! Please take
a look at it, why NOT to place an intact dog!
http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html
and
Should I Breed My Dog?
Of course this is directed at the folks who just want to put 2 dogs together.
In no way would I ever do anything but praise the responsible basenji breeders who work so hard for health testing.
This is not an way anti responsible breeders.
Just want to get that point down.
Oh shoot! I missed the nasty post in response to my post! I am sorry Lisa that this ugly troll hit a sensitive memory with you. And, of course, I am still sorry for the loss of your little guy.
Folks, for those that don't already know….there are groups of idiots out there that "troll" message boards, and try to get as many irrate repsonses as they can. They actually compete to see who can get the most people upset, or the people most upset. When you call them out, and refuse to rise to the bait, they usually go away.
"So my kids can watch the birth process" is one of the most over used phrases by people who breed random dogs and cats for no real reason.
More low quality animals are produced for that reason than any other, I'd wager.
And what's the most often phrase for breeding low quality folks like yourself? "I was drunk.":eek:
