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Required Testing Before Breeding

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  • QuercusQ

    @WBL:

    Thank you Andrea and Pat!!! By the time he is old enough to be breed I will be living back in the states so those sort of things will be easier for me to find, lol, it can be difficult here at times with the language difference.

    As for the eyes I'm guessing that they are also made up differently than most dogs??

    Yes, that is the theory. No one is really too sure right now…but it seems that things that may scream "problem" in "normal" dogs, may not mean the same thing in Basenji eyes.....why be normal? ;)

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • tanzaT

    And with any luck maybe we will have a DNA test for PRA

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • WBLW

    LOL, I have learned that many things are different in basenjis than other dogs. I didn't know that males tend to have one testicle that will "hide" until they are 6-7 months. This had me worried at first with Tiggy, but just over the past few days it has started to "present" itself. My vet here didn't know that, I found out by his sire's owner and then my vet in the states is familiar with Basenji's and she said the same thing.

    So the list goes on, testicles are positioned different and they can hide, eyes are different, vocal cords, anything else, lol?

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  • tanzaT

    @WBL:

    LOL, I have learned that many things are different in basenjis than other dogs. I didn't know that males tend to have one testicle that will "hide" until they are 6-7 months. This had me worried at first with Tiggy, but just over the past few days it has started to "present" itself. My vet here didn't know that, I found out by his sire's owner and then my vet in the states is familiar with Basenji's and she said the same thing.

    So the list goes on, testicles are positioned different and they can hide, eyes are different, vocal cords, anything else, lol?

    Yes in B's the testicles are carried one in front of the other… and they can "still" suck one up... especially if frighten by something or like at a show if the "judges" hands are cold...:eek:

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • WBLW

    @tanza:

    Yes in B's the testicles are carried one in front of the other… and they can "still" suck one up... especially if frighten by something or like at a show if the "judges" hands are cold...:eek:

    LMAO, now that is kinda funny. Luckly Tiggy has gotten used to being handled, lol, down there because everyone suggested massaging to help it along

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  • khanisK

    Just as an FYI, if you are having other things done, ou can always have hips done BEFORE they are two years old… the only difference is that you cannot get an OFA certification for it.. but you do get a Pre-Lim Report and it will state whether the dog is Excellent, Good, Fair, or a non-passing grade.

    Many people (this includes many long-time breeders) breed and have no issues telling puppy people that the dog is too young for hips on their testing blurb. Sure, I'd say 6 months is too young, but if hte dog you are using is above 8 months old, then is SHOULD be at least Pre-Limmed on hips. There are NO excuses not to do it.

    I think that Pre-Lims are now posted on OFA... I did some from 2001-2005 and those weren't posted online (can't recall the reasoning then).

    Kathy Britton

    Khani's Basenjis

    Portland, Oregon

    ….."You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me!"

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  • QuercusQ

    Kathy, do you traditionally do a formal OFA later on then, or do you just use the pre-lim as your test?

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • tanzaT

    While that is correct that OFA is available for prelim and anyone using a young dog that is not old enough for hips other then prelim should certainly at least have that done… my question would be, is it really necessary to use a dog before he is 2?

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • QuercusQ

    @tanza:

    While that is correct that OFA is available for prelim and anyone using a young dog that is not old enough for hips other then prelim should certainly at least have that done… my question would be, is it really necessary to use a dog before he is 2?

    I don't think it is really necessary …but sometimes people have their reasons...and it is nice that there is an option rather than just waiting to see.

    Andrea Walters

    Quercus Basenjis

    NW Ohio

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  • lvossL

    The other option for hips before the age of 2 years is PennHip which does certifications at a younger age than OFA.

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