Screaming must stop!

[NancySS]

@kembe Thank you. I was always partial to the red and whites myself, but when Ronney and I went out to meet and adopt this little black and white Princess, it was love at first Baroo!!!! I am like you, now I love ALL basenjis and think they are all beautiful. Binti takes excellent care of me since my Ronney passed away in April. We are a steadfast pack of two!!!!

[mikesull]

Hello all - my 11 week old Felix just switched from free feeding to now 3 times a day feeding (and lots of treats all the time lol for training etc). Problem is Ive had horrible experiences three nights with crate and defecation and then him pacing in it. May be just a coincidence on the food timing but let me know thoughts. Also, last night - bc i could not deal with another night of crate defecation so I just gated him in kitchen which is 100% puppy proofed. Much less crying and he pooped on newspaper when i checked him/walked him at 1am inspection. So in my opinion a major improvement to the previous nights. I also got him a carrier bag - hoping he would warm up to its den like feel and he has. All in all - lots of trial and error but conclusion is dont get a basenji at 8 weeks! Definitely wait until 12-15 weeks if possible. Great dog but needed his mama for awhile longer.

[JKent]

One option could be to meet his need for mum by allowing him closer to you at night until he's 12 - 15 weeks and then moving him slowly back to the kitchen as he matures and is able to tolerate it better. Another way of doing this would be for you to sleep downstairs near him and then in a few weeks start moving yourself away.

[Zande]

@mikesull Just a couple of suggestions - all the additional training treats could be helping him not go through the night.

Try measuring out his ration of kibble in the morning and using pieces of that kibble as training treats. That way he thinks he's getting a bonus and you know you are not over-feeding him !

And feeding times - morning at 8, a snack around 1 and then another meal about 6 is what my puppies get. Then a chance to empty straight after the evening meal and another before bedtime. He should start to go through the night without defecating on that regime.

I like the idea of a puppy-proof kitchen and a pile of newspapers to empty on. It's what my babes got in the final weeks before leaving me. We used to be able to get a product called Sherleys 'Swiftie' which you sprinkled on the paper to encourage them that 'this is the place !'

[JENGOSMonkey]

@mikesull I think you're doing really well, Mike. Basenjis of any age can be a challenge. I like that you're open to suggestions, trying new methods, giving those a few days, and then pivoting again when necessary. This is how Basenjis train us. Basenjis are a journey, not a drive through as you are quite aware. They keep us on our toes.

[Beth314]

I'm following this thread and maybe I should start my own. I'm planning to bring a Basenji into my home at some point. I have fostered many litters of puppies and believe in crate training. It's much easier to foster/raise a litter than bring a single home on its own. But I will be doing the latter this time. What is an ideal set up for the first week? I would certainly have the puppy in my bedroom ... but in a crate, or so I'd planned. Screaming all night would be very difficult ...

[eeeefarm]

@Beth314, if the pup is in a crate next to your bed, it is unlikely to be "screaming all night" or at all, for that matter. Have the crate close so you can put your hand down to reassure the pup if necessary, and if it gets restless be prepared to take it out to relieve itself. When I brought Tamu home at 7 weeks (early, I know), my husband slept with my 7 year old girl, Lady, and I slept on a cot in the living room with Tamu's crate right beside me. After two nights she moved into the cot with me, after a week we moved into the queen sized bed in our bedroom. (Tamu was happy, Lady was annoyed, but that is another story). Tamu was solidly house trained in less than two weeks, and never, ever had an "accident" in her crate or in a bed. And she never screamed or cried or whimpered at night.

[Beth314]

@eeeefarm Nice to know. It is certainly the advice I gave my mixed-breed adopters. I guess I was concerned that a Basenji could be more lonely crying those first nights. Dumb idea really, as pups are individuals with a range of behavior. Still, good to know your method would likely work.

[eeeefarm]

@Beth314, not just with Basenjis. I brought my first "farm dog" from his home with his littermates to my mother's house in Toronto (on our way to our newly bought farm), put him in a crate beside me on the couch where I lay down, sighed deeply, and tried to assume a sleep rhythm to my breathing. He looked up at me, took my cue, and settled right in. Fast asleep in only a few minutes. If you model the behaviour you want, that will often work with pups. They are used to settling down to sleep when their pack sleeps.

[JKent]

I allowed my children to share my bed until they were ready to sleep independently, but was adamant I wasn't going to do the same with a dog...didn't take long for her to join us ,

[JENGOSMonkey]

@jkent I grew up with a breeder... my Mom. We had a pack of Shelties. They all slept downstairs in crates. Dogs were rarely allowed upstairs and only when supervised; and were never allowed on a bed. Ever. As a kid... I thought this was THE dumbest rule ever. Never made any sense to me at all. We didn't have to sleep in a cage. Why did our dogs? I swore that when I got my own dog it going to be a Blue Merle (cause Mom wouldn't breed them) and it was gonna sleep on the people bed... with me. Fast forward years later. Finally got my Blue Merle, flew he and I to Mom's house, once there at her house he slept on the guest bed with me. I guess I've never been a big fan of being told what I can't have. :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:

[eeeefarm]

@JENGOSMonkey, our family dog growing up was a sable and white Sheltie. He didn't get to sleep on beds or get on furniture or for that matter go into the carpeted living room, but being a Sheltie he respected the rules of the house and slept on his mat in the hallway, except if there was a thunderstorm, when he would make the rounds of the bedrooms looking for solace, but alas, only being told to go back to bed! But he was a wonderful dog, and like most Shelties very easily trained and obedient to a fault. Completely different to a Basenji!

[JENGOSMonkey]

@eeeefarm Shelties are the best! We bred Sables, Mahoganies, and Tris. I remember when we had three bitches all whelping at the same time. There were puppies everywhere. After about week three or four we'd crawl in the whelping boxes to hold pups and let them crawl on us. By weeks six, seven and eight... that was really fun because now they had teeth. Having one bite you everywhere is one thing. Try six attached to hands, feet clothing, hair, ears, nose. My favorite puppy of all time was a tri that I named Tar. I was in grade school and had a once a week paper route. Small paper. Tar learned to fetch and return a paper... at eight weeks old! I was crushed when Mom sold him. She had good reasons why we couldn't keep him, but being a kid... I wanted to scream when I came home and he was gone. Dogs can't sleep in the bed, can't have the dog I want, can't have a Blue Merle... all I get to do is pick up poop. :disappointed_but_relieved_face: I got over it. Mom certainly instilled in me a lifetime love of dogs and for that I'll always be grateful. Definitely Basenjis from now on though.

[tanza]

@jengosmonkey - Have to say, at one time I had 5 in bed with me... have to say it was a wee bit crowded... LOL.... I am very glad that my current Basenjis prefer their crates (which are in the bedroom) to the bed. They only time they come to sleep in bed is when they are not feeling well...and if only one is not feeling well 90% of the time the rest follow...sigh...! LOL... not bad in the winter but in the summer... way, way to hot, like having hot water bottles in bed with you!
very easy to tell when something is going on with them... and while is it fine for a couple of nights, I am very happy when they decide to go back to their crates! LOL

[mikesull]

After two horrendous episodes of crate defecating and pacing in it...... my 11 year old son talked me into taking our 11 week old Felix jumping in bed with him. I set the alarm for every few hours but was sure there was going to be an accident. Nope. Felix peed outside within 10 seconds each time i woke him up and each time was rewarded back in with son. We all had wonderful sleep. Son told me doesn’t care if Felix poops the bed he loves him so much. There goes crate training lol. We’ll see. What a ride.

[JENGOSMonkey]

@mikesull Ya know... I always tell my kid. Son, when you're grown up, got a job, are payin' all your own bills and have some left in you wallet for a hobby... find one. And don't let anyone give you grief about it. You're carrying your own weight. So, I don't care if you want your dog to sleep in a crate or on a bed. Your choice. That said... I admit to having a big ol' smile knowing that Felix is bunking with your 11yo. High Five!

I was never a crate fan till I got the two I have now that had been crate trained. OMG! Car travel is no longer a constant frantic drama scramble from one end the car the other the way it was for my first Basenji. I would encourage you not to give up crate training altogether. As I've leaned... It has it's place.

[tanza]

@mikesull - You can still crate train, feed him in the crate, give him treats in the crate and in the car for sure have him in a crate especially for safety. Think of it like your son being loose in a car and you have to slam on the brakes or in an accident... they would be flying all over the car... not safe for a human child or an animal.... period

[JKent]

@tanza 5!

[ChanningsMom]

Why did your breeder sell the dog to you that young? I thought most pups didn’t go to their new homes until 12-15 weeks old...

[JKent]

@mikesull glad you have found a solution that works for your family and gets everyone the most sleep! As others have said you can still continue to develop positive associations with the crate. My 9 month old starts the night in her bed next to ours and joins us in our bed at 4am. Although she prefer the back of the sofa in the day, she often chooses to sleep in her crate (door open) and runs to it to eat any highly prized treats!