Dale
Are you using Vetsulin insulin???? I had problems regulating my 13yo male. Come to find out, the FDA has warned vets to change dogs over to a different kind of insulin. Has something to do with the release time of the crystalline portion of the drug.
We had the WORST time at first giving shots,( and I'm a certified phlebotomist and went thru nursing school) My boy was fine at the vets we they did it…..difference is he was up on the exam table. We got a table for Einstein, put a bath mat on it so he wouldn't slip around. Biggest thing that helped was getting BD needles, the ones that come from the vets are carp-ola, they have burrs etc...the only thing you have to do is change the number of units you use.(if your using Vetsulin U40 compared to U100 for human insulin and BD needles.) I can explain in further detail if you want.
It did take both myself and my husband to get him used to the shots, be we had a very specific routine that we did not alter. Einstein knew that after he ate it was "time for his medicine" he would run over to his table and try to jump up there himself. If we were taking too long, he'd come get us. Freezed Dried Liver was used to get him on the table, then when he was done, given while he was still on the table. I made sure he could see the liver. When he was done and off the table, he got his (small) KONG filled with fat free cream cheese mixed with some tuna mmmmmmmm. My little puppy-cat loved tuna. Anyway, I went from crying during the shot, to smiling and laughing 'cause he was so funny trying to get on the table, and then doing his little dance when he got his kong. I really think the table helped...
Please let me know if I can help any more, I can describe the contraption (sp) I built on top of his metal crate, so I could give the shot by myself when needed.
He didn't seeem to mind getting the shots at all, I think he trusted and knew we would never do anything to hurt him, plus we made a HUGE DEAL out of telling him what a good boy he was....etc......people would have thought we were bananas LOL
Good Luck
PJ
What's considered baseline?
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Like said, some lines have teeth problems, at least that I have found. But for those ones with issues with their teeth, it may not seem like it is doing much, however it does help. The boy I was talking about before that has teeth issues, it took about 6 to 8 months on the plaque off to see a difference. He too will be getting a dental today (and neuter)…. so it is not a cure all, but I think it helps.
Are you saying that Enamel Hypoplasia is hereditary?? I have found nothing to back this up, but if it is true I also don't want to breed something that could possibly be hereditary. The vet's I have talked to said it was probably from a fever when he was a puppy, or possibly a reaction to a vaccine. I just need clarification.
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I read it and also am of the belief that some lines just have naturally harder to take care of teeth than other, not necessarily that the condition you mention is hereditary. I'm not sure if Oakleys parents had naturally plaquey teeth but of the three dogs I've owned, Oakley is the first to have teeth that are hard to take care of/ keep up with…he started early accumulating plaque even when as a pup I brushed his teeth daily...since I started brushing less frequently thy have just gotten bad (on his back molars and chipped tooth)...
He's a high maintenance boy..lol...luckily the cleaning includes polishing and bloodwork for around 244 pre tax..so it's worth it before it gets out of hand..then it's brushing and plaque off...sprinkling it is way easier than a spray..whoop
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Now that I think of it I think I also read this wrong. I am aware that this line does have a higher occurance of teeth issues. I got in a bit of a tizzy over the enamel hypoplasia thing because I would not have put all the time and effort into getting his championship if there was a possibility that it was hereditary. Looks to be genetic in poodles maybe but I could find nothing about B's and like I said I don't want to breed into something like that. I saw all of my hard work and effort go down the drain along with all of the money if I knew I wouldn't be able to breed him.
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I commend you on being willing to not breed if this turned out to be the case; some who aren't as responsible would choose to do so anyway…I don't blame you either way for being upset over all your hard work possibly being jeopardized...breeding doesn't sound easy in any aspect!
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Ps- I just left the vets, Oakley got his annual exam, a four month supply of advantix, pre op bloodwork and his yearly fecal test…286$ later...lol!
He looks good,and healthy...I was quoted 233$ for the teeth cleaning including anesthesia...so it'll be an expensive month...I guess I'll just have to dream about new sneakers!
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Are you saying that Enamel Hypoplasia is hereditary?? I have found nothing to back this up, but if it is true I also don't want to breed something that could possibly be hereditary. The vet's I have talked to said it was probably from a fever when he was a puppy, or possibly a reaction to a vaccine. I just need clarification.
I don't think I said that Enamel Hypoplasia was hereditary, I said that there are bloodlines that have teeth issues, I didn't mean for that to be taken that this particular affliction was Hereditary… And I had one such line (and no I did not breed that line or that dog).
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I don't think I said that Enamel Hypoplasia was hereditary, I said that there are bloodlines that have teeth issues, I didn't mean for that to be taken that this particular affliction was Hereditary… And I had one such line (and no I did not breed that line or that dog).
Sorry Tanza, I totally read that wrong, my appologies.
Chelsea, good to hear Oakley is doing well. Be lucky that your vet bills for teeth cleaning are so cheap down there! Seems vet care here is so expensive.
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I agree…I was surprised at the cost for teeth cleaning including anesthesia and polishing being only 233$...the pre op bloodwork was 95$ and the vets office has to warn that if any extractions are needed its 26$/tooth with an extra charge of 55$ for the extra half hour of anesthesia..I am 99.999% confident that's not needed- as I said, Oakley is 28months old and has no compromised teeth, just plaque on his back molars and long top canines that although the vet said he could scrape off during our appt...it wouldn't be polished and therefore wouldn't help with plaque accumulation...
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Ps- I just left the vets, Oakley got his annual exam, a four month supply of advantix, pre op bloodwork and his yearly fecal test…286$ later...lol!
He looks good,and healthy...I was quoted 233$ for the teeth cleaning including anesthesia...so it'll be an expensive month...I guess I'll just have to dream about new sneakers!
I just paid my $2000 MRI bill for Sonny….want to trade?
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If you KNOW there was some incident that could have caused it, I'd worry less about genetics. If not, then I'd be checking out others in the line and the line of any potential mates. I have no idea if recessive, dominant or what and too tired to look but hope truly his was environmentally induced.
http://loudoun.nvcc.edu/vetonline/vet221/dentistry/lesson2.htm
Enamel hypoplasia is a rare condition of defective enamel formation caused by illness during tooth development, trauma to the developing tooth bud, or can be inherited. The enamel will be soft and chalky instead of hard and shiny. You must be careful cleaning a tooth with enamel hypoplasia as you can easily damage the soft flaky enamel surface. Teeth with enamel hypoplasia are often more susceptible to caries.<<
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@sonnyboy:
I just paid my $2000 MRI bill for Sonny….want to trade?
No thank you!!!!
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Oakleys going in for his dental cleaning this month, it's his first one and I'm of course always nervous to hand him over to the vets…any discomfort to be expected or soreness/sensatitvity I should expect?!
Bloodwork came back fine so we have the green light to do it, but I will get nervous! -
Oakleys going in for his dental cleaning this month, it's his first one and I'm of course always nervous to hand him over to the vets…any discomfort to be expected or soreness/sensatitvity I should expect?!
Bloodwork came back fine so we have the green light to do it, but I will get nervous!Depends on what they find, if just a normal cleaning, should not be any discomfort…. if he has to have any extractions, then he could have some discomfort for a couple of days. Soft food is in order for a couple of days... and usually they will give you pain meds just in case.
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I was always nervous, too, Chealsie, but Spencer usually was back to normal that day. He didn't have to have any extractions until he was a senior. I know you've had plaque issues with Oakley, but it will probably be a routine in and out. I'll be curious to know if the vet recommends anything new for the plaque. Ava doesn't have issues yet… and I'm trying to keep it that way for as long as I can.
You'll be amazed at how gleaming white Oakley's teeth will be after the cleaning and polishing!
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I couldn't imagine in my wildest dreams them needing to pull a tooth…I gave the ok to pull if they had to but as I've been thinking about it, I'd prefer to be called before they do...I just can't imagine it's necessary in his case (it's not about the money)... I would just prefer to know before they do it.
I am hopeful it'll be an "in and out"...but you always hear stories...sometimes it's better not to google possible side effects of a procedure!!!
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At two, I can't imagine Oakley would need an extraction, either. I'm sure it will go smoothly, but I know what you mean– they're our babies, and we always worry! When is he having his cleaning?
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21st…first day I could get off work, since I can't drop him off at open because of the confinement/separation anxiety..they're going I call when their ready to take him into surgery...then..I have to be nearby in case I need to come get him...(I live two streets down from my vet)
My concern right now is that Oakley flipped like a switch after his three day hospital stay for the xylitol poisoning..he came home and was a different dog (stayed in his crate without flipping out, tolerated me being at work)..so I'm just afraid that he will be traumatized by "rocking the boat"
After all, he tolerates the crate when I go to work or leave but I could never come home then leave again..he has a very fine line between what's "ok" and "what's not"
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Pat, I have never had them give pain meds unless a tooth was extracted and lord knows I have had dentals done and by 5 different vets over the last 10 yrs.
Arwen has hers done every 3 months, she is always fine. I give her soft food the first day then back to normal though I do avoid any chews for a couple of days. I also generally get prophylactic antibiotics because she has an autoimmune disorder and I don't want to risk it. I know many vets ALWAYS give antibiotics, some depends. Ask your vet.
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Are they scheduling Oakley first, so he won't have to be caged? Spencer didn't like to be caged at the vet's, so one of the vet techs would take him into the office after his cleaning and let him lie in a doggy bed near her while she worked. Maybe they could do something like that for Oakley, if he has anxiety? But he will probably wake up ready to go home, and you'll be close by so I'm sure it will be NBD.
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They do teeth cleanings last on surgery day bc it's the procedure with the highest incidence of infection..and because he can't be caged inthat situation they are going to call when they're ready to take him into surgery..as soon as I walk away from him he will flip his lid…he can't soothe himself in regards to me leaving ( unless it's what we've worked on..like crating when I go to work once a day). I can't even have someone hold his leash while I walk twenty feet away..he cries, panics and pulls.. Hopefully it will be minimal awake time pre surgery and afterwards he will be too groggy to thrash and scream or realize "mommy" isn't there. I'm crossing my fingers, that's all I can do to prepare at this point and hope there is no regression after.
