Years of research, even experts don't agree if grass makes them throw up or if they eat grass to throw up because they feel sick or if they like the taste of grass but it makes some of them throw up. If grass were in any way involved, you'd probably see grass, not just white foam.
Vomiting
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OH, I read just recently that the good flora in yogurt gets deleted because of the acid in a dog's stomach. The article said that there was some acid resistant cultured yogurt, maybe at a health food store? My Uzie has been on two different anti-biotics and finished yesterday. He is 'eliminating' just fine and back on schedule. (I still finished the yogurt on him this am, all my dogs like it on top of the kibble…..:) )
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Glad to hear Uzie is doing better… Yeah I hadn't thought about the possibility of the sharp edge irritaing his mouth.. ..
unfornutaley Ayo threw up again is afternoon, after I gave him the spoonfull of ID.. So I called the vet and she told me to bring him back in. he got more shots and more omeprazole and told me to give him nothing but little sips of water every now and then.. they want to try and stop the vomiting for at least 15 hours or so, so that the irritation goes down in his stomach. But he threw up again in the car on the way home... I have to go back tomorrow morning, if he is not better than they are doing the barium contrast.. I am really frustrated cause he doesn't seem to be gettin better. And he hasn't really eaten anything in days.. Isn't it worst to have an empty stomach? I know my stomach gets irritated if its empty long enough!! But the thing is every time he eats or drinks more than a sip he throws up. All he's had all these days , I think it's been three days? Is a little bit of yogurt yesterday and one spoonful of ID today.. And all the metamusil that theyve Been giving him, guess that's kept him.. They didn't give him any today though!!
Its been a horrible week... I really hope he gets better soon!! .. He is not down though, which is weird, he is active and a little less than usual but not languid..... -
That is weird that they would give him Ranitidine as well as Omeprazole, as they do the same things…..close the proton pumps on the stomach down (decrease acid production)....same thing they give humans with ulcers or excessive stomach acid production...maybe do some googling on those two meds together?
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Nope nevermind….looks like they can be used in conjunction and do not interact.....sorry my bad.
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Yeah they started on just omeprazole but since he wasn't getting better added the ranitidine. he hasn't thrown up since yesterday. Just got bck from the vet again. They repeated the ranitidne but left out the omeprazole because it is oral and his esophagus irritated we were afraid it would make him vomit again. So I'm starting this afternoon with a little yogurt and he's going to vet again at 6 pm… Hopefully he'll keep that in and his stomach will start to heal.........
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I hope so too. It is hard to have a sick dog and you are trying everything you can but it seems like they are not getting better. Hopefully the yogurt will work, calm his stomach and give him some nutrients. Good luck to both of you.
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Poor Ayo! Hope he feels better today!
Small portions of plain Greek yogurt, mashed potatoes (no butter) or a mixture of cottage cheese and white rice works usually work with Spencer. Sometimes, I'll concoct a doggy bread pudding with pieces of bread soaked in watered-down yogurt or cottage cheese. I have gotten very creative with the "White Food Diet" here at Chez Spence.
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@Buddys:
OH, I read just recently that the good flora in yogurt gets deleted because of the acid in a dog's stomach. The article said that there was some acid resistant cultured yogurt, maybe at a health food store? My Uzie has been on two different anti-biotics and finished yesterday. He is 'eliminating' just fine and back on schedule. (I still finished the yogurt on him this am, all my dogs like it on top of the kibble…..:) )
Can you give a link to the article? I have seen people hawking coated probiotics, but have yet to see research confirming a need for the added expense of them.
Studies on probiotics don't confirm that. Perhaps because products like Fastrack have MASSIVE amts compared to yogurt… but studies on yogurt in humans haven't shown that either. If there is something new, am most curious to read it.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lactobacillus-acidophilus-000310.htmAnother health claim is that L. acidophilus can help maintain a healthy balance of intestinal flora by increasing acidity of the intestine, killing off harmful bacteria. Research suggests that there may be some validity to this claim. In one of the many research reports on L. acidophilus and gastrointestinal tract health, L. acidophilus was demonstrated to have anti-microbial effects against pathogens and fungal microorganisms (Buttris, 1997). Also since L. acidophilus is able to survive in environments of pH 4-5 or below, it is able to survive the harsh conditions of the stomach and pass through to the small intestine.
http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011/05/probiotics-ibd/
protein isolated from beneficial bacteria found in yogurt and dairy products could offer a new, oral therapeutic option for inflammatory bowel disorders, suggests a study led by Vanderbilt University Medical Center researcher Fang Yan.
The study, published May 23 in the Journal of Clinical Investigation, shows that the protein, called p40, was effective as an intervention in animal models of colitis (colon inflammation). The investigators demonstrated that the protein supports intestinal epithelial cell growth and function, and reduces inflammatory responses that can cause intestinal cells to die. Importantly, the investigators showed that oral consumption of p40 by mice in a protective delivery system prevents and treats colitis in multiple models of the disease.
Many of the hundreds of bacterial species that live in our gut (known as the ?human microbiome?) are helpful to us: they help us digest certain substances, produce vitamins and fight off more dangerous bacteria. But miscommunication between these bacteria and our gut lining can lead to conditions like ulcerative colitis and Crohn?s disease. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as many as 1.4 million persons in the United States alone may suffer from these diseases.
One type of helpful bacteria often used in yogurt production and in nutritional supplements, Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG (LGG), has been used in attempts to prevent intestinal disorders such as IBD and diarrhea, as well as other conditions such as dermatitis (skin inflammation). However, results generated using whole bacteria have been mixed.
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Hope he feels better soon.
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I do so pray that he is better soon. It's so worrying for you and you have to trust your vet. Please keep us posted.
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Thanks again for everyones good thoughts!!, Ayo is finally doing little better..he hasn't thrown up since yesterday at 6 pm. I was at the vet again this afternoon and he got yet another dose of everything. he had very small amounts at a time of yogurt in the afternoon, and now he had about 20 cc's of chicken and rice stew that I made as directed by his vet. I gave it to him very slowly, he loved it and wanted to gobble it up.. it looks like he is going to be fine.. I'm having trouble withe Internet so I went out to get some take out and use it.. Hopefully he will not have vomited when I get back…... Tomorrow morning is e last visit, hopefully, to the vet and will start him on ID again...
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I hide 1 of these in Buddy's food daily. He'll eat food thrown on the ground or garbage along walks and sometimes I can't get it out of his mouth. It's called Pearls and can get past stomach acid and has a high bacterial count. They're very small and round like a small pearl.
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Can you give a link to the article? I have seen people hawking coated probiotics, but have yet to see research confirming a need for the added expense of them.
Studies on probiotics don't confirm that. Perhaps because products like Fastrack have MASSIVE amts compared to yogurt… but studies on yogurt in humans haven't shown that either. If there is something new, am most curious to read it.
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/lactobacillus-acidophilus-000310.htmOk, here is an article, not the one I read in a magazine at the vet's office….anyway:[http://www.academicjournals.org/ajmr/PDF/pdf2011/…/Akpinar et al.pdf -](http://www.academicjournals.org/ajmr/PDF/pdf2011/.../Akpinar et al.pdf -) describes the yogurt's culture and testing. If the recommended ph for yogurt for optimun action is 4-4.1 and the acid in the stomach of the dog is ph 1- and ours is around 5 then it can be concluded that the cultures are pretty much deleted. Yogurt for the dog's diet may be for the protein as in Ayo conditon where the doc's didn't want the stomach to produce the required acid for digestion (here is an interesting article comparing our stomach to the canine…:http://k9joy.com/RawFoodForDogs/DigestiveSystemExcerpt.pdf. So, I hope you got the information you requested. The pearls sound like a good idea!
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This article is just not correct in its facts about human digestion. At rest the human stomach's pH is about 5 but during a meal it drops to between 1-2. This would be the same as a dog's stomach.
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Well…. Just got back from the vet again... Now I started with the ID again,, one spoonful every fourhours... Hopefully he'll keep it down. Then is afternoon again, hopefully the last of the vet treatment!!!! ...The pills sound like a good idea,.. Hopefully it will helpavpid his stomach getting so irritated over stuff he eats on the street. This is the second time it's happened. The first time it was no big deal though , I gave him some omperazole and he was fine. This time was really bad!!!.. Ill look into it. I was thinking I was going to have to get him a muzzle, to walk with so he doesn't eat stuff that may hurt him.. But I don't want to do that....
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Hopefully he feels better and you don't have to go to the vet anymore….What is ID?
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Ohh it's a canned food, I don't have it with m e now, but I think it's science diet, special for gastrointestinal problems,.. It's called I.D? The vet gave it to me to give him….
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Oh, well hopefully he can keep it down! Best of luck to the little guy.
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Okay first link doesn't work.
The 2nd is from a person hawking food, his book… not research nor accurate:But raw food is not simple to digest… it takes some very strong chemistry to
break down raw proteins. So, the dog's stomach will produce some large
amounts of strong acid, thus lowering the pH level down to somewhere
between 1 and 2!this very low pH level is much lower that
what your stomach can produce - a human stomach generally operates
around pH=5ACTUAL levels.. as pointed out, humans and dogs during digestion the same level
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio105/digestiv.htmThe stomach contains hydrochloric acid (HCl) strong enough to dissolve metal (pH about 1.5 to 3, usually around 2), which kills bacteria and helps denature the proteins in our food, making them more vulnerable to attack by pepsin.
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looks like Ayo is finally over the whole thing!!!! he is now eating about half a cup of the canned ID food, and is doing well. Thanks for all the support!!! I still have to go back to vet tomorrow for check up, but I feel ita finally over.
