@3basenjimom Agree, a vet visit. I have never seen a post on grinding teeth before so it’s very unusual.
Suspected teeth irritation
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Sigh, there with you. Had to have Arwen's top back molars removed last week. Vet said she may be developing some sort of oral autoimmune issue. I haven't even researched it because I am so disgusted. I brush, I wipe, she gets dental chews, she eats rmb.. I don't know what else to do… cleaned in Feb, cleaned and pulled THREE teeth 5 mos later in July, now 4 mos later 2 more. Vet said think how bad they would be if I weren't doing so much. But it is discouraging.
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Just picked Nemo up from the vet, and it turns out he had two very back teeth with highly receded gum-lines (you could tell this by looking at them). On one of the teeth, one of the three roots had a small abscess so they decided to remove it. One of the "mobile" teeth identified at the last dental (and adjacent to the one they removed this time) apparently was very mobile because it wasn't there anymore. So hopefully that took care of the issue and he should be back to his normal happy self.
Sounds like you might have gotten to the "root" of the problem. Fingers crossed that in a few days, he is back to his normal self!!!
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Sounds like you might have gotten to the "root" of the problem. Fingers crossed that in a few days, he is back to his normal self!!!
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Yep, I hope so. It's hard to tell though, he sleeps most of time anyway. :rolleyes: -
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Yep, I hope so. It's hard to tell though, he sleeps most of time anyway. :rolleyes:LOL… but back to eating well
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LOL… but back to eating well
Well, he voraciously devoured his breakfast this morning so I think he's feeling pretty good.
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Well, he voraciously devoured his breakfast this morning so I think he's feeling pretty good.
That is great news!!!
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Very nice to hear..
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Good news.
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Great news, and I look forward to hearing more great news.
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What was the name of the auto immune disease? How old is your B? Did your B have really bad breath?
My B has terrible breath and he is only 13 months. His gum line looks irritated. The smell went away for two weeks when he was on antibiotics for Giardia but slowly came back seemingly even worse now. We plan to schedule a cleaning and x- rays. I'm afraid of what the vet will discover and I'm afraid of the cost!
Thanks.
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The vet didn't say and I haven't looked.. been a tough month.
She had horrible breathe at 4, took her in.. cleaned, better briefly. We have had her teeth cleaned every 6 mos for 3 yrs, then in Feb, then in July then in late Nov. She has lost 6 teeth so far. I brush, spray, wipe, feed rmb (raw meaty bones), give dental chews. It really has me floored.
One of the sprays is an antibacterial, but it can cause..strangely.. plaque build up when then increases gum irritation. So we quit that one and moved to a different. But it seems one step forward, 1 1/2 at least back.
Btw, check around on cost. No exaggeration, to get the back tooth pulled I got estimates in a 20 mile radius ranging from $200 to $800!
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Thanks for the prompt response and your advice Debra. I'll post again when I know more. Good luck with your girl.
Shona
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I don't know the name of the particular disease, but there is an autoimmune disease which causes dental issues and bad breath, ulcerated gums, etc. The dog essentially starts to react to the plaque on their teeth, so you have to keep the dog's teeth very clean. Perhaps someone knows what the name of the disease is. I was just talking to someone yesterday who has a dog who has it. I'll email her to see what the name is. Hopefully, that is not the case with your dog.
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What was the name of the auto immune disease? How old is your B? Did your B have really bad breath?
My B has terrible breath and he is only 13 months. His gum line looks irritated. The smell went away for two weeks when he was on antibiotics for Giardia but slowly came back seemingly even worse now. We plan to schedule a cleaning and x- rays. I'm afraid of what the vet will discover and I'm afraid of the cost!
Thanks.
Do you brush his teeth? The brush stimulates the gums. Bad breath is an indicator of infected gums. There's Petzlife Oral Care gel.
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Hi All,
The auto immune disease is called "CUPS" Chronic Ulcerative Paradental Stomatitis.
I brush my B's teeth, but not everyday. Daily brushing will be adopted after we remove the plaque build-up and decrease the inflammation. I hope his condition isn't CUPS!
Thanks again for your help.
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Ty.. looked it up:
http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/23104.htmCharacteristics of chronic ulcerative stomatitis (also called chronic ulcerative paradental syndrome or CUPS) include severe gingival inflammation, multiple sites of gingival recession and dehiscence, and large areas of ulcerated labial mucosa adjacent to the surfaces of large teeth. The problem commonly affects Greyhounds, but it has also been seen in Maltese, Miniature Schnauzers, Labrador Retrievers, and other breeds. The characteristic feature is the contact ulcer that develops where the lip mucosa contacts the tooth surface, most commonly on the inner surface of the upper lip adjacent to the upper canine teeth. These lesions have also been termed “kissing ulcers” because they are found where the lips “kiss” the teeth. The underlying pathology is an immunopathy that results in an excessive local inflammatory response to the antigens in dental plaque.
Stringent plaque control through professional cleaning and excellent home oral hygiene may resolve the problem. Supplemental antibacterial measures, eg, topical chlorhexidine rinses or gels, also help. In severe cases, topical anti-inflammatory preparations to modulate the inflammatory response may provide comfort. Discomfort caused by the ulcers complicates efforts to brush the teeth and give oral medications. In the worst cases, in which discomfort is severe and the owners are unable or unwilling to brush the teeth, extraction of the adjacent teeth may be necessary to remove the contact surfaces on which plaque accumulates. Although this may aid in control of the lesions, it is not curative, as plaque grows on all mucosal surfaces in the mouth. In many cases with complete extractions, animals continue to develop lesions due to hyperimmune response to the plaque. -
Well I am utterly disheartened. After cleaning/tooth extraction and almost 3 wks of antibiotics (prior to clear up then after preventative) in late November/early Dec, I waited 2 wks for her mouth to heal and started brushing routinely.
Last night she yelped, I got the flashlight and sure enough, cheek inflamed again. It is definitely looking like CUPS.
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Sometimes I am slow… it finally hit me.
Sayblee... autoimmune disorders. Arwen, her double niece (half/bro sis), autoimmune.
So we are putting her on antibiotics, tomorrow start steroids 10 mg, then 5 mg daily for a week, then 5 every other day then every 3 days.
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Hi Again,
Hobbes received his first exam and cleaning today. He is 15 months old. The Dr. has diagnosed Hobbes as having CUPS : ( I'm so sad–he is so young! Hopefully we can control the amount of plaque build up and irritation. We go back to the vet in two weeks for a dental plan/ consultation. Wish us luck!
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Hi Again,
Hobbes received his first exam and cleaning today. He is 15 months old. The Dr. has diagnosed Hobbes as having CUPS : ( I'm so sad–he is so young! Hopefully we can control the amount of plaque build up and irritation. We go back to the vet in two weeks for a dental plan/ consultation. Wish us luck!
Have you notified the breeder? This condition is consider to maybe have a genetic component. Or in the majority of cases it is believed that the dog's immune system is overracting to bacteria in plaque.
Either way, it is something that a breeder should know about their dogs and consider "not" breeding.
