@tanza:
That red (like an Irish Setter) called "chestnut" red is a deep rich red color… something that the breed has been losing over the last many years... and like many other things, it does run in different lines.
Really interesting. Of my 2 r/w - Ruby is definitely the deep chestnut and Brando is not, he's more of a tan colour. I did notice at the National that there weren't too many r/w there that were Ruby's colour of red (I did see some though), but never thought anything of it other than just a different hue; didn't realize that it was a colour that was being lost.
About a year ago I saw a b with a red coat that was darker than Ruby's and that was one of Debbie Hauri's - Versace, I think it was.