@venserro - Please be sure to check out pedigrees and also health testing, you should always check that out for yourself... I always refer anyone interested in Basenjis, including my own breed to Ofa.org to review DNA testing... you can look for responsible breeders at www.basenji.org and you would be better looking at the Pacific Northwest...pleaseask for references and for sure health testing.
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There are reputable and what are considered responsible breeders that talk about breeding and will have NO problem telling folks that breeding OFA Fair is okay even if there is lots of it (in the pedigree, as in multiple generations and HD produced by these dogs) because you can't predict the hips and it is all a joke anyways.
Until a better system is found this IS what we have, it IS available, and ALL responsible breeders should be testing all breeding stock with the minimum of Fanconi, Hips and Eyes. Adding in Elbows, Patella and Thyroid is a huge plus to the future of the breed.
There is NO excuse for this gal breeding untesteds… it is HIGHLY IRRESPONSIBLE, regardless if you are a "show" breeder or not!
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From the OFA website:
"The hip grades of excellent, good and fair are within normal limits and are given OFA numbers."
A "fair" hip rating means that the dog is free of dysplasia and there is no reason why this rating should be prevent an animal being used for breeding.
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From the OFA website:
"The hip grades of excellent, good and fair are within normal limits and are given OFA numbers."
A "fair" hip rating means that the dog is free of dysplasia and there is no reason why this rating should be prevent an animal being used for breeding.
I disagree a bit with this… especially if there are many "fairs" in the pedigree.. or in offspring... My Ortho Vet.. breeding of Irish Setters among other breeds would also disagree with you... Crossing them to excellent and lines with all excellent/good is OK.. for the most part, but to cross them on other lines with fairs.. is not the best practice
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If you are looking at a single Fair rating in a family that may be true but not when you are looking at a family of basenjis that has a large cluster of Fairs and even dysplastic relatives. Of course, even a dog with a Good rating in that sort of family will still be a higher risk than a Fair from a family with no history of dysplasia.
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I agree and to further elaborate, this is what the OFA has to say about breeding "fairs":
"Do not ignore the dog with a fair hip evaluation. The dog is still within normal limits. For example; a dog with fair hips but with a strong hip background and over 75% of its brothers and sisters being normal is a good breeding prospect. A dog with excellent hips, but with a weak family background and less than 75% of its brothers and sisters being normal is a poor breeding prospect. "
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These are OFA's recommeded breeding practices for HD. In basenjis 23.5% are Excellent. Average for this breed is Good or better so even though Fairs are normal they are worse than Average for our breed.
OFA's Recommended Breeding Principals
Breed normals to normals
Breed normals with normal ancestry
Breed normals from litters (brothers/sisters) with a low incidence of HD
Select a sire that produces a low incidence of HD
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I agree with that Lisa posted.
Fairs coming from lines that have produced a ''fair'' amount of HD is NOT the ideal place to go.
I just CANNOT in any way justify using a Fair dog that is from a line that is 3-4+ generations down from Fairs (meaning Fair produced a Fair that produced a Fair… and so on) alog with a ''fair'' spattering of HD from dogs in the pedigree it is just NOT worth the risk.Until I find someone that tells me living with a HD animal has no bearing on it's life, I'll continue to produce only the healthiest dogs that I can...
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…Her statement is one that sounds like she doesn't fully understand health testing and how it is used. She has done no other testing so can not say whether her bitch has normal hips, eyes, thyroid, patellas...
Yes, I agree… and I know! I have a WL line dog and not only does the line have a bad history for fanconi, but also luxating patellas... unless… luxating patellas come from EXCELLENT patellas (with good ancestry)... probably NOT likely!
Point being: If I were to breed Basenjis, I would want to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE to assure healthy pups for the betterment of this breed… Being that I dearly love Basenjis!
So sad that these BYBs and puppy mill operators could care less about what is better for the breed!!!
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…If she is not testing the stud dog then she should be testing the puppies...
I can be almost sure that WL's Todd was not tested… considering where he comes from. And the sad fact of the matter is that Mr. Todd seems to be somewhat of a "ladies man." He has been rumored to have a mistress here in West Virginia, too... He obviously gets around!
It all boils down to what is better for the (so called)"breeders" wallets!!!:mad: UUuuugh… BYB's & millers!!!:mad:
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It all boils down to what is better for the (so called)"breeders" wallets!!!:mad: UUuuugh… BYB's & millers!!!:mad:
That is true, a pure for profit breeder is not going to spend money on health testing that is going to cut into their bottom line. They will do as little testing as they can do and still sell puppies.
Educating as many people as possible to demand health testing for both parents is the best thing that we can do for the breed. There will always be some who want a puppy "right now" and won't care but the more people we can educate the smaller the market for puppy mill dogs because really most people do want to do the right thing and want a healthy puppy that will be a long lived companion.
