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IMO this would be a BYB… without question.. especially to put "non" shedding... and "non" barking and you are correct the "screaming" is the worst... I always tell people some of the noise they make will raise the hair on the back of your neck.... people like to think that non barking means mute... NOT...
And you are correct, responsible breeders do NOT advertise in the newspaper in 99% of the cases as they have a list of reseverations before breeding.
That said, there are breeders and basenji clubs that will put ads in the paper to go against BYB's to try and get people to call so that they can try and educate people.
This is where "emotional" purchases come into play... people read an ad, call, and go buy.... no screening, no contracts, no health testing, no breed education... result... typically the pup winds up in rescue.Both lvoss and I have done that locally when we see ads, call and see what we can find out about them....
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So here is the newspaper Ad my coworker saw in the paper & brought in for me:
Basenjis for sale. AKC
2 male, 2 female Barkless
Non-shedding. 8 wks old
$500 (321)xxx-xxxxVery few ethical breeders will use the words "barkless" and "non-shedding" in adverstising because both terms are misleading. The price is also below what an ethical breeder charges.
If a breeder is willing to sell through newspaper ads then that means they probably aren't really screening potential buyers right? Inputs anyone?
There is nothing "wrong" about advertising in the newspaper. In fact, it can actually be a pretty good way to find homes. With local inquiries, the potential buyer can visit the breeder, meet their dogs, and see how the pups are raised. The breeder can visit the buyer and see where the pup will live. Both visits are perfect for a breeder to educate the buyer about life with a Basenji. That said, an ethical breeder would place their ad before the pups are born or soon thereafter. Screening potential homes takes time and effort and sorting through all of the "looky loos" and "impulse buyers" that are drawn to newspaper ads can be a full time proposition. You just can't do that properly when you wait until the pups are already 8 weeks.
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my friend just emailed me saying he saw a posting at work for:
$200 male no papers
$250 female no papers
$350 male w/ papers
$400 female w/ papers
sad… i'm sure its a BYB as well. -
Very few ethical breeders will use the words "barkless" and "non-shedding" in adverstising because both terms are misleading. The price is also below what an ethical breeder charges.
There is nothing "wrong" about advertising in the newspaper. In fact, it can actually be a pretty good way to find homes. With local inquiries, the potential buyer can visit the breeder, meet their dogs, and see how the pups are raised. The breeder can visit the buyer and see where the pup will live. Both visits are perfect for a breeder to educate the buyer about life with a Basenji. That said, an ethical breeder would place their ad before the pups are born or soon thereafter. Screening potential homes takes time and effort and sorting through all of the "looky loos" and "impulse buyers" that are drawn to newspaper ads can be a full time proposition. You just can't do that properly when you wait until the pups are already 8 weeks.
I would agree with you, but only in some parts of the country… and since most breeders have a reservation list before even breeding, newspaper ads are not needed.... of course there are those times when even responsible breeders might have an "opps".. litter
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Do you guys think I should call the number & investigate?
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If you want, but what good would it do? Unless you are curious?… or Unless you are comfortable you can talk to them about why they should be at least health testing and doing spay/neuter if they are going to breed.
But that is just my opinion
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re: advertising in the newspaper - we HAVE to be where people are looking - even if we don't have any puppies available - I do it from time to time - for a month or so - Sally Wuornos and I used to do it together for 6 weeks starting in May or June - I have found some good and not so good folks that way.
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While I am always uncomfortable seeing dog ads in the paper, I must admit it would have been much easier for me to find a breeder had I seen an ad in a paper! If not for the Internet, I'd have been stuck – and even then it took me a while to find breeders in the area. At first I thought there were none, then once I hit the right source I learned there are SEVERAL quality breeders in my area!
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AKC dogs can be from byb's?
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@vstripe:
AKC dogs can be from byb's?
Sure can. Pet store/puppy mill pups are registered also.
All it takes to get registered (akc or other) is for both parents to be registered.
A good breeder will register her litter and adults but not all registered pups are from good breeders. **Dont worry, alot of people dont know this and are shocked when they learn that just because a pup is registered it does not mean it came from a good breeder or has good health, temperment or conformation.
There are also BYBs that "hang papers" which, in a nut shell, is registering pups to a different set of registered parents.
Im sure someone can explain this better and more indepth/professional than I can, its still pretty early in the am
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I would imagine if someone were to be a shady dealer, like a BYB, then they could also fabricate papers. I know that my photoshop capabilities would allow me to do it if I were so inclined. Then it would be up to the purchaser to confirm the registration was legitimate (do their homework) prior to making a mistake like that. Then again, anyone who knows anything about B's wouldn't spend more than 10 minutes at a BYB before they knew what was going on and walked away.
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Sure can. Pet store/puppy mill pups are registered also.
All it takes to get registered (akc or other) is for both parents to be registered.
A good breeder will register her litter and adults but not all registered pups are from good breeders. **Dont worry, alot of people dont know this and are shocked when they learn that just because a pup is registered it does not mean it came from a good breeder or has good health, temperment or conformation.There are also BYBs that "hang papers" which, in a nut shell, is registering pups to a different set of registered parents.
Im sure someone can explain this better and more indepth/professional than I can, its still pretty early in the am
Most BYB/PM's don't bother to fake AKC papers, they sell the pups with a "quote" registration that is from many of these registeries that were started when AKC put out the DNA parent requirement. Some of these are APA (American Pet Asso), NPA (National Pet Asso), CKC (continantial Kennel Club, NOT to be confused with Canadian Kennel Club) etc. Many PM got together and started these "crap" registries so that they could sell puppies with "papers". And since John Q Public is pretty dense about these things, easy to pull the wool over their eyes.
However, I am sure there are still some that are paper swapping, but much harder to do with DNA parent AKC requirements. -
And saw these today on a google alert I get about Basenjis…
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I decided I am going to call the ad today when I get home. I think I will just tell them that I have a basenji & am interested in meeting other fellow B owners in our area. I'll see what he/she says…
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
Probably not a lot. But if you have the resources you could place an ad in the paper that would go along side the 'for sale' ads that would warn against byb's and what key words to look for that may alert potential owners.
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
No, it is a free country….. what kind of authority? The only thing we can do is to try and educate the public on how to find a responsible breeder. Were to look, what to ask, what to expect.
It is why lvoss and I encourage everyone to have a web site and that includes pet owners... many site are free... many people these days search the web and you can be sure that BYB's are keeping theirs up to date since they breed every year and sell over the internet. Just look at the ads on puppyfind and nextdaypets to name a few. Responsibe breeders need to keep their site up to date... too.. that is another big key to education of the public. The Basenji Club of America will assist regional Basenji clubs with money support to place newspaper ads when BYB's are in "full bloom" to try and get people to call and learn about our breed before buying. Tell people why they should never buy from a pet store.... if you turn one person around from buying from a BYB.. then you have a success... -
There are different things a person can do to help raise public awareness of what a BYB is and how to find a responsible breeder. One thing that the BCOA Outreach helps with is taking out competing ads where BYBs advertise and having a local person field calls and help direct potential puppy buyers to responsible breeders in their area. Another thing, since many people are turning to the internet to find their next pet, keeping a website that highlights responsible pet ownership with links to local clubs, the national club and good articles helps.
It is actually really important that those of you who are pet owners only are out there telling people why you want to get you next pet from a responsible breeder. So many people who contact breeders start their emails with "But I only want a pet." They always seem to sell short how important it is that "pet" be healthy, sound tempered, and well socialized so it can fulfill that role as a pet.
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tanza..
about those links you posted..
the first one (of the 3 basenjis) is also on puppyfind.com
i was browsing on there yesterday & saw them.
it had a kennel website too.. and they didnt have basenjis listed as dogs they breedi think it might be that they bred the male with the two females and now dont want to breed them anymore & are selling them. if i find the link ill post it
