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  • tanzaT

    @Buana:

    Well! Great news!

    We just made plans to test Chafuko in the near future but we had to plan that a little bit earlier!!!! :d
    Chafuko has been asked as stud!!!!!!
    I won't tell much more at the moment because I first want to know everything for sure :)
    It sure is a fine breeder, makes al the health tests and the bitch is tested prob. clear for fanconi.

    But about the testing, we just enterd our forms at the OFA site for both boys (parents are clear but the stud dog has to be tested himself so we also entered Buana)
    This thursday we have an appointment with the vet for his eyes testing, hips, theroid and ha..

    Does anyone know whats the time between entering the forms on the OFA website and getting the test at home?

    I would think that they mail them out pretty quickly, and it is just a small package for the swabs… but I don't know how long international mail takes...

    Pat Fragassi

    Tanza Basenjis

    www.tanzabasenjis.net

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  • BuanaB

    Another update!

    Yesterday we made everything clear on both sides and the bitch that should come to holland (it's a bitch that lives with an other family) seems to not have had het reabies shot..
    She can't come to Holland next month :( We and of course the breeder are very sad because everything was already fully arranged..
    She sure wanted to use Chafuko, so we tried to find out if we should be able to come to Sweden with Chafuko. But also he has to be rabies tested before he can go…

    No we have new arrangements for next year :)
    Chafuko will become a daddy of one of her own Basenji's (a very pretty red and white female)
    This lady is a bit too young for breeding this year, otherwise she maybe had come to Holland with her. (and two litters are a bit busy)

    We're so proud of our Chafuko..
    We sure have to be carefull with the litter... or we'll end up with another B... hahaha

    Kim and my Basenji pack, Buana, Chafuko and Enya

    http://www.kwabandurus.com

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  • ibi_n_saneI

    very exiting Kim :d

    If I call you names, please note that I am not suffering the Tourette syndrom.

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  • PetraP

    Conrats to all future Chafuko?s girfriends! It smells like new basenji puppy to your pack:)))))))

    Petra and Mody

    Our website

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  • BuanaB

    @Petra:

    Conrats to all future Chafuko?s girfriends! It smells like new basenji puppy to your pack:)))))))

    If it?s up to me…. :D

    I'm happy I've a husband that knows the limit for now.... hahaha
    3 dogs, cat, baby on the way... hahahaha
    I always said: The first dog thats coming to our home is a Wolfdog.. so... that won't come out of Chaufko.. (but a puppy of your own dog... aaaahhhh well maybe)

    Kim and my Basenji pack, Buana, Chafuko and Enya

    http://www.kwabandurus.com

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  • T

    Buana - have you considered collecting Chafuko and using the chilled semen AI? That way neither dog would have to undergo the stress of travel.

    Terry

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  • snorky998S

    OT (sorry!)….Isn't rabies a mandatory shot over there?

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  • S

    We are required to do rabies here in the states.
    What are your rules?

    Sharron Hurlbut

    BRAT, basenji rescue

    Evergreen basenji club

    Seattle Purebred Dog Rescue

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  • JannekeJ

    @sharronhurlbut:

    We are required to do rabies here in the states.
    What are your rules?

    Rabies is not required here in the Netherlands, only if you are planning to travel to another country. For Sweden and Norway you need to get the rabies shot very early and after 4 months you need a bloodtest. Dogs are only allowed to enter the country when the titer is high enough. Something similar for the UK, but then one month between shot and bloodtest.

    Tillo's website

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  • BuanaB

    @Terry:

    Buana - have you considered collecting Chafuko and using the chilled semen AI? That way neither dog would have to undergo the stress of travel.

    Terry

    We never considered that, I will get information about that (for this time it's too late but for a next time) I'ts always good to know.

    Kim and my Basenji pack, Buana, Chafuko and Enya

    http://www.kwabandurus.com

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