Mirtillo Puppyshow

[sharronhurlbut]

Cracked me up when he laid down…these b's are sooo funny.
Thanks for the movie.

[tanza]

@Janneke:

Yesterday we went to the puppyshow. It was really great! There were two other Basenji pups. Really nice to meet some other basenji-people!

Mirtillo did superb! He was sooo sweet, patient and.. not nervous at all. We made it to the sixth round. (there where nine)
Mirtillo has some trouble with his teeth.. his lower jaw is smaller than his upper jaw. The first two judges mentioned it.. So we figured.. next round: we're out… But we did pretty ok anyway

We hope his teeth will be correct in a couple of months.. (if possible.. he's still teething)

Here a Movie of the fourth round. We became second. Mirtillo didn't really feel like walking or standing as you can see This was around 4 pm.. we left in the morning around 8 am. (movie is low quality, otherwise it wasn't possible to upload on YT)

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So does he have an overbite? Are the bottom teeth hitting the roof of his mouth instead of just inside the top teeth as in a sicissors bite were the upper incisors just overlap and touch the lower incisors?

[Janneke]

@tanza:

So does he have an overbite? Are the bottom teeth hitting the roof of his mouth instead of just inside the top teeth as in a sicissors bite were the upper incisors just overlap and touch the lower incisors?

Well… Good question. One judge said overbite.. another said sicissors bite with some space (don't know a right translation)
On showtraining they said it wasn't an overbite. (but I figure.. it's just how you want to see it..)

His upper incisors overlap the lower incisors... but.. maybe it's a good idea to take a picture..

The way I look at it: His lower jaw is a bit smaller..

Picture is coming...

[Janneke]

@sharronhurlbut:

Cracked me up when he laid down…these b's are sooo funny.
Thanks for the movie.

Yeah.. it was so funny! Even the tired judge was smiling

[Janneke]

Ok…... Pics are taken in the dark with mobile phone.. I'll make some good ones tomorrow. (it's past bedtime here..)

Edit: new pics

[tanza]

It does look like an overbite but not a terrible one. Hard to tell in these pictures

[Janneke]

New pics! (above)

[tanza]

That is certainly an overbite. I have seen them get better, I have seen them get worse… it is most certainly something to keep in mind if you ever breed with him that he is bred into a line that has good bites. I think that you will find judges that "don't" like it and will not use him because of it, but you will also find judges that think it is OK... may be harder to show and get his championship because of it. Time till tell....

[tanza]

In your other post "Mirtillo pics" the one side view of his head you can see that the lower jaw is short.
This is a fault I have seen more and more in Basenji all over the world. I think that breeders have become more aware of a short lower jaw and have begun to watch their breeding practices more with this fault in mind. But then again, bite issues can crop up at the most unexpected times.

[Janneke]

@tanza:

That is certainly an overbite. I have seen them get better, I have seen them get worse… it is most certainly something to keep in mind if you ever breed with him that he is bred into a line that has good bites. I think that you will find judges that "don't" like it and will not use him because of it, but you will also find judges that think it is OK... may be harder to show and get his championship because of it. Time till tell....

Let's hope it gets better… I blame myself for giving him some chewing bones.. I believe it might have made it worse. (didn't noticed before giving the bones) He's not getting them anymore for a while...

We already noticed the diffirent opinions of judges. Some said: "overbite.." Like Mirtillo should never have been in the ring.. other where like: "ooh.. an overbite.. if that's all"

[Janneke]

@tanza:

In your other post "Mirtillo pics" the one side view of his head you can see that the lower jaw is short.
This is a fault I have seen more and more in Basenji all over the world. I think that breeders have become more aware of a short lower jaw and have begun to watch their breeding practices more with this fault in mind. But then again, bite issues can crop up at the most unexpected times.

You're correct. I emailed the breeder and she told me that in the line of his mother they 'all' have a stronger upper jaw. (so.. probably a shorter lower jaw) But she said they don't have problems like an overbite.

[tanza]

@Janneke:

Let's hope it gets better… I blame myself for giving him some chewing bones.. I believe it might have made it worse. (didn't noticed before giving the bones) He's not getting them anymore for a while...

We already noticed the diffirent opinions of judges. Some said: "overbite.." Like Mirtillo should never have been in the ring.. other where like: "ooh.. an overbite.. if that's all"

I would say for sure that the chewing bones did NOT have any effect.. at all on that…. typically you would not notice it that much until they loose the baby teeth and start to get the adult ones and the head starts to take shape.