@elbrant thanks!
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re: advertising in the newspaper - we HAVE to be where people are looking - even if we don't have any puppies available - I do it from time to time - for a month or so - Sally Wuornos and I used to do it together for 6 weeks starting in May or June - I have found some good and not so good folks that way.
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While I am always uncomfortable seeing dog ads in the paper, I must admit it would have been much easier for me to find a breeder had I seen an ad in a paper! If not for the Internet, I'd have been stuck – and even then it took me a while to find breeders in the area. At first I thought there were none, then once I hit the right source I learned there are SEVERAL quality breeders in my area!
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AKC dogs can be from byb's?
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@vstripe:
AKC dogs can be from byb's?
Sure can. Pet store/puppy mill pups are registered also.
All it takes to get registered (akc or other) is for both parents to be registered.
A good breeder will register her litter and adults but not all registered pups are from good breeders. **Dont worry, alot of people dont know this and are shocked when they learn that just because a pup is registered it does not mean it came from a good breeder or has good health, temperment or conformation.
There are also BYBs that "hang papers" which, in a nut shell, is registering pups to a different set of registered parents.
Im sure someone can explain this better and more indepth/professional than I can, its still pretty early in the am
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I would imagine if someone were to be a shady dealer, like a BYB, then they could also fabricate papers. I know that my photoshop capabilities would allow me to do it if I were so inclined. Then it would be up to the purchaser to confirm the registration was legitimate (do their homework) prior to making a mistake like that. Then again, anyone who knows anything about B's wouldn't spend more than 10 minutes at a BYB before they knew what was going on and walked away.
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Enjoy!
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Sure can. Pet store/puppy mill pups are registered also.
All it takes to get registered (akc or other) is for both parents to be registered.
A good breeder will register her litter and adults but not all registered pups are from good breeders. **Dont worry, alot of people dont know this and are shocked when they learn that just because a pup is registered it does not mean it came from a good breeder or has good health, temperment or conformation.There are also BYBs that "hang papers" which, in a nut shell, is registering pups to a different set of registered parents.
Im sure someone can explain this better and more indepth/professional than I can, its still pretty early in the am
Most BYB/PM's don't bother to fake AKC papers, they sell the pups with a "quote" registration that is from many of these registeries that were started when AKC put out the DNA parent requirement. Some of these are APA (American Pet Asso), NPA (National Pet Asso), CKC (continantial Kennel Club, NOT to be confused with Canadian Kennel Club) etc. Many PM got together and started these "crap" registries so that they could sell puppies with "papers". And since John Q Public is pretty dense about these things, easy to pull the wool over their eyes.
However, I am sure there are still some that are paper swapping, but much harder to do with DNA parent AKC requirements. -
And saw these today on a google alert I get about Basenjis…
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I decided I am going to call the ad today when I get home. I think I will just tell them that I have a basenji & am interested in meeting other fellow B owners in our area. I'll see what he/she says…
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
Probably not a lot. But if you have the resources you could place an ad in the paper that would go along side the 'for sale' ads that would warn against byb's and what key words to look for that may alert potential owners.
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So if you do encounter a BYB…what CAN you do??? Is there an authority you can call??? What can we do stop this type of breeding??
No, it is a free country….. what kind of authority? The only thing we can do is to try and educate the public on how to find a responsible breeder. Were to look, what to ask, what to expect.
It is why lvoss and I encourage everyone to have a web site and that includes pet owners... many site are free... many people these days search the web and you can be sure that BYB's are keeping theirs up to date since they breed every year and sell over the internet. Just look at the ads on puppyfind and nextdaypets to name a few. Responsibe breeders need to keep their site up to date... too.. that is another big key to education of the public. The Basenji Club of America will assist regional Basenji clubs with money support to place newspaper ads when BYB's are in "full bloom" to try and get people to call and learn about our breed before buying. Tell people why they should never buy from a pet store.... if you turn one person around from buying from a BYB.. then you have a success... -
There are different things a person can do to help raise public awareness of what a BYB is and how to find a responsible breeder. One thing that the BCOA Outreach helps with is taking out competing ads where BYBs advertise and having a local person field calls and help direct potential puppy buyers to responsible breeders in their area. Another thing, since many people are turning to the internet to find their next pet, keeping a website that highlights responsible pet ownership with links to local clubs, the national club and good articles helps.
It is actually really important that those of you who are pet owners only are out there telling people why you want to get you next pet from a responsible breeder. So many people who contact breeders start their emails with "But I only want a pet." They always seem to sell short how important it is that "pet" be healthy, sound tempered, and well socialized so it can fulfill that role as a pet.
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tanza..
about those links you posted..
the first one (of the 3 basenjis) is also on puppyfind.com
i was browsing on there yesterday & saw them.
it had a kennel website too.. and they didnt have basenjis listed as dogs they breedi think it might be that they bred the male with the two females and now dont want to breed them anymore & are selling them. if i find the link ill post it
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wow i take back my last post.. they are only 13 months.. maybe they were planning to breed, but saw how they were a lot of work and gave up?
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wow i take back my last post.. they are only 13 months.. maybe they were planning to breed, but saw how they were a lot of work and gave up?
I looked at their kennel website & they seem like a definite puppymill type place. I mean, how can you breed that many various dogs in one place?!? I wouldn't trust these people as far as I can throw them! I would NEVER buy a puppy from someone who breeds 15 different breeds!
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So I called the ad in the paper to see what the deal was. I spoke to the gentleman for about 10 minutes. He seemed nice but this is definitely a BYB situation. He actually lived only 5 minutes down the road from me…in a trailor park. Not that living in a trailor is a bad thing but I just don't see it as being a great place to breed dogs!
I asked him if his dogs were from champion bloodlines, had been properly tested, etc. He said the father was a champ but not the mother & said they were current on all shots/vaccines (not what I asked...). When I mentioned Fanconi he kind of hesitated but then said "oh...um...yea..." like he didn't even have a clue what I was talking about :eek:
Gosh I want to go see the puppies now! I'm worried for them that they will end up in the mall petstore near us if people don't start buying them. He said he still has all 4 & that they've been in the paper for 2 weeks now. Maybe Mark would let me get a second so she & Dallas could grow up together :p (Kidding of course)
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I looked at their kennel website & they seem like a definite puppymill type place. I mean, how can you breed that many various dogs in one place?!? I wouldn't trust these people as far as I can throw them! I would NEVER buy a puppy from someone who breeds 15 different breeds!
Funny, I posted a review of the breeder {urging caution} and it posted my name as Heather. WTH???? Oh well…...
These people also do "designer dogs" and are willing to "trade" the Basenjis for small breeds.
Fishy, fishy, fishy.
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i didnt realize there was such a thing has "designer puppies" hahaha
they're dogs, not shoes or handbags.
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Funny, I posted a review of the breeder {urging caution} and it posted my name as Heather. WTH???? Oh well…...
These people also do "designer dogs" and are willing to "trade" the Basenjis for small breeds.
Fishy, fishy, fishy.
haha probably bc i was logged in to that site when i sent the link.. haha
