I am so sorry, Tollers are such delightful little dogs. I've had the good fortune to meet several and always liked them. You and yours are in my thoughts/prayers.
Sick Dog Question– help, please?!
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Have you thought of thrush? I was on a 7 day course of high dose steroids in December of 2000 due to my ms and it caused me to develop thrush. I now also get it when I take antibiotics as well. What happens is when you take antibiotics or steroids, it kills all bacteria and it allows the yeast to grow unchecked and causes lesions to grow on the tongue and down the throat and it is very painful. Since you said your spenser was on antibiotics and steroids, it makes sense to me.
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Somewhere here there is a recipe for Satin Balls, designed to put weight on (very high fat), I'll see if I can locate it.
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Somewhere here there is a recipe for Satin Balls, designed to put weight on (very high fat), I'll see if I can locate it.
They really are not a good thing, IMO. Mostly used by handlers to put quick weight on a dog in the show ring. Could IMO cause more problems then it is worth…..
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I'll keep reminding myself of that as I munch on the PB&J balls that will be the mainstay of my diet for the foreseeable future.
Well at least you are still eating PB&J and not on the Weiner Water Soup diet!
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Well at least you are still eating PB&J and not on the Weiner Water Soup diet!
Weiner Water Soup– that sounds worse than ketchup soup, and I thought that was as low as you could go. Suddenly, PB&J sounds quite tasty!
Although, Spencer might slurp up that weiner water. Hmmm...
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Spencer is continuing to feel better today, so much so that he is resuming his picky ways. Dog food balls are a total bust– even heated. Those get nothing more than a disdainful sniff. We have a new favorite, which sounds pretty gross-- though not to Spencer. Tuna salad mac-n-cheese balls. I made tuna salad for lunch with egg whites (no yolk) and plain yogurt instead of mayonnaise. I mixed some of that with bread and some leftover mac and cheese and made tunaballs for Spencer. We have a winner! Tonight I went back to leftover chicken and veggie balls and bread balls with gravy. Doable, but not as good as the tunaballs. Surely he'll be back to eating like a regular dog soon. Though I'm not sure what I'll feed him, since he had gotten downright reluctant to eat kibble.
Last night, he wet the bed. That was a first. Not just a little bit, either, but a whole bladder full. He must have done it in his sleep, because he seemed quite shocked this morning. Though not as shocked as me. I'm hoping it was a one-time thing. The only other weird thing is that his teeth chatter after he drinks. I'm guessing all this is due to the infection, which he continues to fight.
As to your question about thrush, Sissy, we checked for that. But he is on antibiotics, so I'll keep an eye out for it. Thanks for mentioning it!
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I know nothing about fanconi restrictions so I'm asking purely to learn, are the satin balls too much protein for a dog affected? Just wondering… I assume from what I've read it will be extra hard to put weight on him because there are nutritional restrictions for fanconi dogs, is this correct?
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Yes, Chealsie, you're right. I have to manage a low protein diet with the need to put weight on him. I'm using veggies, rice and bread as filler, with lean cuts of meat and egg whites. It's not ideal, and I'm giving him more protein than I normally would, but he is really thin. It will take a while to get him back to a good weight. I'm feeding him five small meals a day right now, instead of the usual three, and hoping I don't screw it up!
I'm not sure what the satin balls are, but I'm going to search them. I'm interested to know.
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There's a recipe on the forum, and my memory may serve me wrong but I thought it was high protein based… Usually suggested on the boards to feed the males when the females are in heat and they don't eat...lol, when Oakley was out of the hospital he lost a few pounds and I considered making a batch but I opted to add bison to his meals, which is a lean protein, maybe you can add that to his new "meatballs" diet...
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Hmmm… I never thought of bison. That sounds like a very good idea! Where do you get it? In the meat department or is it frozen?
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Another lean meat is ostrich. I can find ostrich here a lot easier than bison, which I have never seen.
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Chelsea, are you talking about satin balls? I have been looking for that recipe, high in fat but evidently very yummy and will put weight on quickly. I'll keep looking.
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For the bed, get a water proof bottom sheet. For years with my elders I used them. Makes changing the bed, even in the middle of the night much easier. I got mine on line QVC. Well worth the cost
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Found it in the 'food' category, from 2010 post by Sharron Hurlburt:
SATIN BALLS
#10 of cheap hamburger meat
1 lg box of Total cereal (1 lb box in USA)
1 lg box of oatmeal (uncooked) (the 32 ounce in USA)
1 jar of wheat germ 10 eggs
1 1/4 c. veg oil
1 1/4 c. unflavored molasses
10 sm pks of unflavored gelatin
pinch of salt and garlic
mix all ingredients together well, much like a meatloaf… put into
separate freezer bags and freeze, thawing out as needed. I mixed it in
with kibble. Make "meat"
balls (golf ball sized) and mix with food as well.
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For the bed, get a water proof bottom sheet. For years with my elders I used them. Makes changing the bed, even in the middle of the night much easier. I got mine on line QVC. Well worth the cost
That's good advice– thank you-- and I'll take it. Do you think this problem is likely to continue? Spencer has never wet the bed before. He woke me up to go out every hour all night long with the subQs, but last night he slept through the night-- and I found a wet bed in the morning. I was hoping it was just a fluke thing. Did your elders wet the bed every night when they got older?
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You should be able to get ground bison at a local butcher shop.
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Found it in the 'food' category, from 2010 post by Sharron Hurlburt:
SATIN BALLS
Do not cook.That doesn't sound half bad– if it were cooked, without kibble! So it's served raw, I guess, for dogs.
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You should be able to get ground bison at a local butcher shop.
Thanks– I'll check it out! I thought bison was tough, but maybe not. Or maybe it's like jerky to a dog.
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Bison is a much leaner, less fat and healthier than ground beef.. You can find it in stop and shops and local grocery stores next to the hamburger meats, sometimes in the higher end meats section, you know, the organic steaks and better cuts of meat, it generally comes unfrozen in a ground form… Looks like hamburger meat but tasty and healthy. That's the only form I use, it has the texture of a ground turkey or hamburger- not tough at all!
Here's a link just to show you the package I use:
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Macpack- that's the thread I remember reading it from!! It's always hard to find something here when you want to!! Lol! Glad you found it
