Help - Seperation Anxiety and Crate!

[krunzer]

I do believe what Tanza says. We did the crate thing at night too and then I felt really guilty…..now we have them both sleeping in bed with us! Nice in the winter..hot in the summer.

[KMac]

I agree with Tanza as well. If I had a choice at the moment he wouldnt be crated at all but until he gets used to our house and we get used to him unfortunately he is going to have to be crated for the time being. He loves the crate as night. But knowing i am leaving in the morning he doesnt love it so much. When my sister picked him up at lunch (she watches him half the day with her dog) she said he was quiet. Thank fully.

[tanza]

@KMac:

I agree with Tanza as well. If I had a choice at the moment he wouldnt be crated at all but until he gets used to our house and we get used to him unfortunately he is going to have to be crated for the time being. He loves the crate as night. But knowing i am leaving in the morning he doesnt love it so much. When my sister picked him up at lunch (she watches him half the day with her dog) she said he was quiet. Thank fully.

Why can't he sleep in bed with you or at least on a bed on the floor next to your bed? If you have to have him crated during the day (which I fully understand), then he should have his freedom at night. Too much crate time can really cause more problems then too little crate time.

[KMac]

Tanza…. I totally agree with you. And I will be working on that while I havethe next 5 days off. I dont like the crate as much as you do. I do think it is important though.

[tanza]

I think crate training is a MUST for all dogs. My point was there sometimes can be too much crate time. I don't know if Evergreen's puppy manual has been changed, but I remember years ago when I got my first B's reading their schedule… it was like 24/7 in the crate... way too much crate time. If you have to crate during the day, you really need to rethink night time...

[KMac]

Tanza - What is the Evergreen's puppy manual? is this something I should look into purchasing? He is 7 months now.

He will only ever be in the crate during the day for about 4 hours max. And once trained hopfully never. I just want him to be comfortable right now as I know he has been through so many hands the past few months going from shelter to shelter. He cries even if I want to have a shower, leave the door open and open the curtain to check on him from time to time.

He is at my sisters right now and they say he is whining and pacing but that could be because of the rain today? its pouring and lightening here today.

[tanza]

http://www.evergreenbasenjiclub.org/bom.html

As they say, you can never have to many reference materials

[KMac]

Thank you! I actually kept Kent out of the crate last night and he slept under the bed and chewed on bone on his blanket all night. Such a good boy. however, trying to leave him in the morning this morning again was terrible. The screams that come out of basenji's are heartbreaking. Thankfully I get home in 2 hours and can work on the crate with him all day.

Thanks Tanza.

[KMac]

Updates: Kentucky has been amazing being kept out of his crate at night with us. He sleeps and plays quietly.

HOWEVER, He is the master at escaping from his crate during the day!! I now have tried every brand of wire crate around, including pad locks and zip ties and he still gets out. He has gone through two bras, papers, sponges, a blanket and a whole carpet in my bedroom (I will let him off that one though because he was actually sick). Everytime I walk in the door I brace myself for distruction but no matter how scared I am but am welcomed by the cutest face in the world. How can you be upset at those faces?

He is only 8 months so I don't trust him out of the crate fully yet.

Any suggestions??

[tanza]

Sounds like you need a video cam to see exactly how he is escaping….. especially with all those security checks... Is there any damage to the crate? And as far as your clothing/papers/sponges... if accessable... they will eat/chew them. Cure for that is don't leave things around. Even if you think they are secured someplace, because chances are the minute you believe things are safe... they are gone

Glad to hear however that leaving him out of his crate at night has helped. I think that many people make to mistake of too little or too much crate time.

[wizard]

I had a foster male one time who had severe separation anxiety (his previous owners were retired during his whole life so they were always with him) and even having another dog around didn't help - they rarely played together. He was in his crate while I went to work - toys galore, special treats in a kong, calming sprays, etc. - and I did the "you must calm down before being let out of the crate" routine when I came home. My other dog was in a nearby crate so they could see and talk to each other. But he continued to try and chew his way out of the crate (I can't rebend the steel bars that he bent with his teeth and he was already 11 years old!). I tried to disappear for longer and longer periods of time to try and get him acclimated to being loose in the house but if I was gone more than 20 minutes he would start clawing at the doors trying to get out, he tore down the blinds on the patio doors, he toppled lamps trying to get out of the window. I spent money on a behaviorist - who told me to do exactly what I was doing (a waste of money she was) and after several months he started biting me if I tried to put him in the crate.
He was wonderful as long as I was around but the biting became too serious an issue. I cried when I took him back to the breeder (he ended up living out his days at her kennel) but I think that there are just some dogs and people combinations that simply don't work. If after several months things don't improve (and proper training has to be a component) one needs to reconsider the situation.

In this case KMac I think you are doing the right thing by seeking experienced help and things do sound better. In your case some of the problems are simply puppy behavior so maybe if you have the time and money an obedience class might be in order to help give him some structure. You might also try getting a bigger crate so he has more crate room or maybe an exercise pen so he can more around a bit more and chase his toys and release some energy.