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  • Sherry is just a quiet person, she has talked to me some and will be talking with me more. I’m just know Tari much better and as they have differing opinions, Sherry is leaving more to what Tari says.

  • Here is a good page to take you through some of the things you should be looking at with each of these puppies.

    http://www.geocities.com/rugosab/ConformationPage.htm

  • Thank you. That does really help, but I still am in between #2 and #3. The pups are just at 7 weeks right now, and I will be making my decision and taking her home after a get together at the end of March.

  • Pat Hastings believes the best age to evaluate puppies is at 8 weeks old +/- 2 days. At that age, they look most like what they will as adults. If you have her book Trick of The Trade, it has a good explanation of what to look for in terms of basic structure.

  • I have a couple other books, but I don’t think I have that one.

  • Are you going to show this puppy?
    If so, don't worry about the neck on #2.
    As a novice handler, you will be fighting an uphill battle with either #1 or #3.
    While a breeder may say don't worry about the markings, I am going to tell you that judges WILL look at those markings and not-so-great handling, coupled with distracting markings are a big fight in the show ring against more experienced handlers.
    While #3 is best proportioned, you have that uphill battle to fight. As a FIRST show dog, I would go with the one that would be easier for you to do well with in the ring.
    As always, this is solely my opinion of lord knows too many years with too many BADsenjis!
    Best of luck to you.

  • Thank you. Yes this will be my first show basenji, but not the first time I’ve shown them. I will have lots of help from Tari and Sherry with the training and if I need it with the showing itself. Luckily, the breeders here are quite nice and friendly. I know that none of these bitches will do well as a special at all. They are expected to be a little on the small side and I’ve been told they should finish fine, but will not be good competing with specials.

  • My completely unprofessional, non breeder, not very experienced handler opinion: if they are all fairly nice dogs structure wise, then go with the one that cooperates most willingly.
    As a complete novice at handling, I am fortunate that Callie will pretty much stay in whatever position I stack her in. She doesn't fight me. At the same time, however, she is fairly lifeless in the ring as she doesn't get excited about much. So if I can stack her well (which depends on me doing a great job that day), she will stay there & maintain that position, but then the challenge is to get her to stop looking so bored. I've taken other dogs in the ring that refuse to let me touch them, refuse to be stacked, etc. So for me, just for learning the ropes, Callie is nice because I don't have to worry about her fighting me, just getting her looking alert.
    I'm sure somebody might disagree with my opinion, and like I said, I don't have much experience to offer or opinion on which dog to choose structurally. I just like having a dog that isn't difficult to stack.

  • I like to evaluate puppies at 8 weeks as I find (like Pat Hastings) that that usually is the best time to view their final attributes. I don't think that a forum and pictures are the best way to evaluate and personally, as I don't know what the USA show ring is like I wouldn't want to make a choice for you. If I was picking one for myself from the photo I'd go for no.3 as in my opinion she is the best made.

  • Thanks for the opinions. I am not looking for you to make my decision for me. I am just looking for more things to think about when I make my decision, as I will have first pick.

  • Another thing you need to consider, is this just going to be a show dog or are you thinking that you may some day breed her? The puppy that may be the best starter show dog may not be the best choice if you are thinking this may also become your foundation bitch.

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    The whole time, she was handling the puppy gently, speaking kind words, telling them "good boy" etc the whole time. (see Andrew's letter in thread) In all fairness, I agree and I will put out an apology to Wanda, I retract any negative comments about her, her status in the community of showing and handling of dogs, or in any way harm her reputation. But to everything and everyone there exists a personal and subjective viewpoint. I know that handling dogs 'unnaturally' but in a positive manner only helps with their adaptation of our lives that we subject them to….I agree with Basenjimanna, Sharon about Andrew's comment. I do not have much experience in show life. Yes, I have witnessed some dogs that thrive on it, and I have watched dogs that the owner is only in it for themselves, pride, and prestige and have little concern for the dog as an entity. (Show Dog-ing can open up a whole new forum), so I may not agree with EVERY aspect of showing dogs, but it does not make it immoral or unnatural or wrong for the dogs, just not for me, but on the other hand, I do enjoy watching the televised version of an AKC show.... Refer again to personal preferences and discussion forums, I am grateful to accept your perspectives as it has enhanced my understanding of how I can misjudge an intent (the video.) Thank you for the well written response. (yeah for forums and open minds....)
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    As Agile Basenji stated, find a local conformation class, you can get private lessons but I think that a group class is better for the dog as there's more distractions going on and the ones I've been to have had all the people go over other's dogs so they're used to strangers approaching and touching them. Get a grooming table if you don't have one already, stack your pup everyday, have friends come up to him and look at his teeth and run their hands over him. Don't forget the testicles….the judge is going to feel them too. I've only showed one dog so far, and it took me just shy of two years to finish him....but...I did all by myself and there's nothing like it when you get those last points. I had to travel to Az for majors but that was part of the fun. Some people like showing, some like other sports.... you pick the one you want and go for it. All dogs have faults, some more than others, but when you walk into that ring, it's all about the judge and what THEIR opinion is. You will find it harder with a Trindle as some judges will put you last just because of it, but there are trindles that are Champions...they are Brindle pointed tri's...note the Tri...they fall under that color category. Go to the shows beforehand and meet some breeders and find one willing to help you. It may turn out that your boy doesn't do well in the show ring, but I give you points for even trying!!! DO however, get that fanconi test done as Sinjabe suggested. You can still show him, but you will want to get him neutered at some point before he gets too old and you want to know what is in store for you should he test probably affected. Good Luck!
  • Help Needed With Self Stacking, pleeeeeease…

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    Yup, have show to her, she is from the Pacific Northwest. And yes, she comes from Borzois If you want to email me privately … (go to my web site for my email addy)
  • Helpful Conformation Illustration

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    @dmcarty: Ok folks that page is great and I've used it a lot in judges education too - but that page only talks about the front - from the side view - there is a very important piece that many are missing with their basenjis - and that is the front 'fill'. Look at your B facing you - is the front hollow? is it very narrow (now if it's a puppy not too bad) Way too many B's out there have what we call 'Cathedral Fronts' meaning you could fit a church and steeple between their front legs - not visually appealing and not functional. Many times it comes with a 'front unit' set too far forward. Which again - is not functional for the breeds purpose and will impact the side gait and likely the coming at you movement in the down and back. With too little fill - animal may toe in or cross over in the front and with to much fill - elbows will be out and you may see some paddling. Just another tidbit for those looking for information Thanks for the info. So much to learn….:D Info like this would be great in a sticky. I haven't found it through reading, yet.