Age for Hips/Elbows ???
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Huh, am I missing something here:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Thanks Ivoss for that info. I would have thought that by 2+yrs, there could be some considerable damage to the hip joints, (depending on diet, exercise, living conditions etc, etc), thus giving a false higher score than if the dog was x-rayed earlier. I noticed that you could get a prelim eval after 12 months. What happens if the prelim gives, for example 3:2, for hips and 0:0 for elbows, at 12 months. Then done again at 2 1/4 yrs, and the result is now 4:3 for hips and 0:1 for the elbows??? Do you document the prelim then the final score on the dogs web page/documentation, or just the final result??? I guess using my example above, you could question that the dogs hips were actually deteriorating due to possible mild/moderate H.D., or its just shows the dog didnt receive optimal care in regards to his hip/elbow health, in the first year or two of his life…... I hope Im sort of clear in this description/example !!! Just really curious, tis all.....
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Thanks Ivoss for that info. I would have thought that by 2+yrs, there could be some considerable damage to the hip joints, (depending on diet, exercise, living conditions etc, etc), thus giving a false higher score than if the dog was x-rayed earlier. I noticed that you could get a prelim eval after 12 months. What happens if the prelim gives, for example 3:2, for hips and 0:0 for elbows, at 12 months. Then done again at 2 1/4 yrs, and the result is now 4:3 for hips and 0:1 for the elbows??? Do you document the prelim then the final score on the dogs web page/documentation, or just the final result??? I guess using my example above, you could question that the dogs hips were actually deteriorating due to possible mild/moderate H.D., or its just shows the dog didnt receive optimal care in regards to his hip/elbow health, in the first year or two of his life…... I hope Im sort of clear in this description/example !!! Just really curious, tis all.....
You are totally correct in your example.. certainly that can happen. However, I think it is pretty well documented that unless really, really badly treated as a puppy, typically your would not see that kind of deterioration at 2yrs (again from bad care and poor food/lack of food). Also since HD is not a huge problem in our breed, most of us wait till 2yrs and do the eval for the final result. Some that want to bred early will do a Prelim. And many of us post a link to the OFA database website so people can see all test results, so if there was a Prelim, that would also be there. Most times, however people only put the final score on their websites.
In the US also, it is not required that HD results be published if the results are not passing. Most of us wish all results were published. -
My understanding is that the types of changes that you would see in a dysplastic dog are different then what one would see in an injury. A dog that is going to develop dysplastic changes will show even as young as 4 months. The big argument for doing them after 24 months is that the ligaments are actually tighter at that age, giving less joint laxity and therefore a better rating. The Australian system is looking for both joint laxity, which will actually improve from 12-24 months and signs of arthritic changes. Good hips should remain, good hips and bad hips will show even if only subtle changes very young.
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Just wondering….when my parents raised Newfies 30 some years ago, they x-rayed and did HD surgery before 1 year of age. Was this breed specific or was this the SOP back then for all breeds?
I would say this was breed specific, as that breed is known for HD
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The reason for the differing information is because of the differing organizations that do testing. I am not sure about testing in Australia but in the US there are two different organizations that do hip testing, as far as I know only one that does elbows. OFA the organization that does both hips and elbows in the US requires that the dog be at least 24 months old before they will issue a registration number but you can get a preliminary evaluation after 12 months of age. PennHip which I believe is more like the system in Australia, does their hip evaluations as early as, I believe, 4 months old.
Actually, OFA will do a preliminary eval as early as four months of age…but you can't get a published preliminary rating until 12 mos; and as you stated no OFA number until 24 mos.
