@Saving thank you very much for the suggestions!
A diagnosed biter
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Those words should be carved in basenji training stone.
The problem is regular dog trainers do not understands that with basenji's. Everything with them is physical punishment (correction) or reward. That does not work with basenji's, at least in my experience.
Well…trainers run the gammut between really good...and really bad...just as with every occupation....it is an unregulated and uncertified field, and ANYBODY can call themselves a trainer, and charge whatever they want for their advice. And, there are really good trainers whose methods just aren't right for every dog. It is important for trainers to know how to deal with different types of dogs, and it is up the consumer to find a trainer that they feel comfortable with, and feel successful with.
The nice thing about positive reinforcement training is that there are virtually no dogs that don't respond well to it. You can't screw a dog up by using positive reinforcement training.
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P.S. That is one seriously scary dog pic! Beautiful dog though…
Note for budding dog behaviorists....see how you can see the white of his eye? We call that "whale-eye"..and it is a good sign that a dog is in serious protection/freak-out/guarding mode. A lot of times you can see it right BEFORE they snap. It is a good warning sign to back off RIGHT NOW!
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This him in play mode- but telling the other dog my toy! stay away. I can pet and rub him in that mode, it's the other dog he's telling to back off.
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I'm reading alote of posts/threads on here about basenji's biteing people and children. also how alote of owners put them away whether in a crate or room or behind a gate when company comes over. I'm kinda shocked is this the way most basenji's are !*? Is this because they are said to be a "wild" breed?
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@vstripe:
I'm kinda shocked is this the way most basenji's are !*? Is this because they are said to be a "wild" breed?
Ancient breed, intelligent and very independent.
I have one of six that we have to be careful with. In most cases the problem starts when the guest walks in already afraid. I've seen people walk in with the same dog, not afraid, know how to greet him and he is like a big baby. I've seen that same dog nip people from behind for not paying attention to him.
You could take Willy or Jasper and do what every you want with them.
Kids, especially if the dogs aren't used to children are another whole ballgame and require caution.
They're all a little different based on personality and what they're exposed to.
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@vstripe:
I'm reading alote of posts/threads on here about basenji's biteing people and children. also how alote of owners put them away whether in a crate or room or behind a gate when company comes over. I'm kinda shocked is this the way most basenji's are !*? Is this because they are said to be a "wild" breed?
I would say that currently MOST are not like this. Breeders have worked very hard to improve temperament over the past 50 or so years. But there are certainly quite a few. We are in the same boat as BBoy…only one of six is dangerous.
And yes, it is because they are more primative.
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Doing rescue, I see dogs who as puppies are NOT well socialized…they also have parents who have "issues" and this can be passed on to the litter.
Bad breeding and lack of socialization can give a basenji many strikes against them.
Lucky for most of us, the breeders who care about these dogs are going above and beyond, to get dogs that are not only beautiful, but have health and good temperment.
For damaged dogs, you have to work to find out what sets them off, a pro is needed for that, and its not easy and then either keep them away (manage them) or work to make this an issue the dog doesn't react to...
All of this takes time and $$ and beyond that, caring what happens to the dog.
We all want to work to save them all. I am the first to say, I have had b's in my house I was afraid of, and sent to the bridge...not a popular comment, but its a true one in my case.
The ones who we couldn't rehome, but could live with, were with us until they passed over.
We just kept them safe, and folks around them safe...Its hard, its stressful..some families just can't do it.
I so hope we can hear good results with this basenji...cause I know the owner really does care for this hound. -
Our breeder is a great breeder and our dog is the only dog of the litter to be a biter that I know of (mom was). They were socialized as puppies we did all the training classes & even showed him, which he was fine, but still certain times would bite and always will. It just his nature.
Or other dog is the opposite a scared biter, she bites, but never even uses her teeth it's all bluff with her. She pretend bites, odd but true- no one fears her in our family but if the other dog bites he means business.
I often tell people what is really inside our dogs is a badger.
When we went to shows I would ask people if I could pet there dogs, they all said yes and I get down and pet & even hugged some of the dogs and they enjoyed it. I really don't have a fear or problem with them for the most part.
Our breeder told us Basenji's have come a long way in temperment. They used to be a lot worse- she said I could never do what I do at shows years ago.
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IMO, Basenjis SHOULD allow themselves to be gently touched by strangers. I would find it acceptable if a dog moves away, or shows mild discomfort, but doesn't act on it.
But I don't think it is a problem if dogs don't like to be hugged. I still don't want them snapping etc, about it...but I would absolutely freak out at a human stranger if they decided to hug my dog...of any breed. -
I think I would freak out, myself, if some stranger came up to me and gave me a hug….unless it was a cute single girl!
I know this next bit should go in the feeding thread, but it kinda ties in here since we've covered the managing and trust thing...
When I got Tucker, the previous Owner's left food out for him all day long. I do the same thing since my plan involved changing his 'quirks' a little by little. The main ones, aside from biting, have been 'rehabilitated'. I'm thinking that I might go to the 'one feed per day' routine, but I'm not sure if that's necessary since we've come to terms and learned to coexist. He's not a pig or gluttonous. He typically eats a good deal in the afternoon/evening when I get home from work and then nibbles here and there the rest of the day. He normally does NOT eat when I am not home. I'm not sure why, but he doesn't.
Anyway, as for the controlled feeding, it's important in establishing the 'trust' thing because then he would be more dependant on me, correct?
Any recommendations? I don't think twice a day feedings, to start, will work because he rarely eats in the morning. He has access to food on the balcony (he's got an inside dining setup and and outside dining setup...) while I am away at work, but he VERY RARELY touches it. I come home, let him in, and he hangs out for a bit and then goes to eat...and he doesn't eat a lot at this time - I imagine that this is the case because he knows it's going to be there when he comes back...
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You might try hand feeding him either some of his kibble, or a healthy biscuit or two in the AM, after doing a few simple behaviors before you leave.
Normally, when I leave him in the morning, knowing he doesn't eat while I'm gone, I give him a couple teeny greenies or a small kong full of stuff'n. This was the method I implemented to divert his attention to my leaving in the mornings when he initially suffered from separation anxiety… It kinda stuck, so I just kept at it. And it's become a weekday ritual, one of those things he can depend on every morning. He acts like a junkie gettin' his fix when I go to put him out there. :p
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TuckerVA-I definitely agree with Andrea….those of us with "feisty dog" (my preferrd term to use
) know that trust is definitely earned. I don't have a problem with that. I tell DH the same thing. TOPAZ has nipped him a few times b/c he's sometimes assumed that he's boss & it's taken time for him to earn her trust as well. She used to guard her feeding dish as well. I taught DH to call her out of her crate & then remove the dish. NOW it doesn't matter but it took her time to understand that we were the givers of great things & didn't need to feel threatened 
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TuckerVA-I definitely agree with Andrea….those of us with "feisty dog" (my preferrd term to use
) know that trust is definitely earned. I don't have a problem with that. I tell DH the same thing. TOPAZ has nipped him a few times b/c he's sometimes assumed that he's boss & it's taken time for him to earn her trust as well. She used to guard her feeding dish as well. I taught DH to call her out of her crate & then remove the dish. NOW it doesn't matter but it took her time to understand that we were the givers of great things & didn't need to feel threatened It does take time...Don't ask me to tell you what Tim's method was to get back things that Ivy snatched when she was younger. His reaction made our situation worse, I am convinced. Let's just say one incident involved a counter, a chunk of steak, one couch, a large cushion, a very angry human and an even angrier dog…ugh...
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Don't ask me to tell you what Tim's method was to get back things that Ivy snatched when she was younger. His reaction made our situation worse, I am convinced. Let's just say one incident involved a counter, a chunk of steak, one couch, a large cushion, a very angry human and an even angrier dog…ugh...
Oh man… I had a similar incident with a piece of cheesecake in our first month together. Left it on a barstool near the sofa and Tucker knocked it on the floor and was halfway through it when I caught him. The good news is that I'm now able to leave food within Tucker reach and he won't go near it... Man, I really wanted that cheesecake, too... :mad: (Some might laugh, some might think I'm as ass, but the punishment for this indecression was putting him out on the balcony and subsequently throwing the rest of the cheesecake at him. He looked quite funny with bits of cheesecake all over him. He was pissed at first but then he didn't mind, he managed to get the whole piece, he just had to lick the second half of it off of himself...)
I really think I've made a lot of progress. Old habits include stealing cheesecake, running the roll of toilet paper, getting into bathroom garbage, taking q-tips, pens, pencils, and any other small item off of the edge of my dresser and the bathroom counter, digging on the sofa and on my bed and severe begging... He doesn't do ANY of this anymore. The weird thing is that he'll do it when I have company. For some reason he associates company with 'all rules don't apply today'. He'll take the TP, rifle through the garbage, rifle through their suitcase, etc. He's not BAD with that, I can always tell him to stop and he pretty much does.... But it's still slightly annoying when you tell people not to leave stuff at the edge of counters or leave their suitcase open and then you catch the last moment of your dog swallowing a q-tip...
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running the roll of toilet paper, getting into bathroom garbage, taking q-tips, pens, pencils, and any other small item off of the edge of my dresser and the bathroom counter, digging on the sofa
Wow that sounds like our tri. I keep hearing on how tri's are more naughty than any other color.
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I wish someone would have told ME that prior to adoption. :rolleyes: But in reality, when I set my mind to adopting a potential devil, I had very limited 'non-negotiables'. They were 'non-destructive indoors', 'is house trained' and 'under 5 years old'. I really wanted a black and white, I think they are unusual and a bit uncommon, but the few that were available on BRAT were highly destructive. However, Tucker looks just like "BJ", my childhood B. I loved that dog… They certainly do leave an impression.
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FTR Ivy is a tri too….
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Yes, IMO… Tri's are "wicked"... but in a fun way...
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Those pips are devil horns, but boy do I love them!
