Posts made by tar9091

From: Pat Meisenholder

I vote to have this thread removed entirely as this is all made up gossip and bashing! None of this thread is actually facts or truth, just made up gossip by the Basenji club.

and you went as far as to varify the pups DNA because you didn't know for sure who the parents were or ??

@tanza:

And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.

In your post you said (shown above) What I was asking was why would any breeder fib about who the pups parents are? What is to be gained? And why would anyone actually do that?

@bcraig:

My wife and I are first time Basenji owners. We got Ella, our first dog together, about 3 months ago when she was 6 months old from a breeder. We mostly love our little red and white but nothing has been easy with her. We can only assume that she was EXTREMELY poorly socialized by the breeder. The breeder more or less admitted it to us after the fact. And this is causing us a lot of problems because she was 6 months old when we got her.

Among the most noticeable problems we are having is that Ella has an obvious preference for human females and it not comfortable with most males–myself included. Because of our schedules I do most of the feeding and walking with Ella, but she is still neutral towards me at best. Ella's reaction to the two of us is strikingly different. Here are just a few examples. When my wife comes home Ella goes through a production of tail wagging, grrring, play poses and obvious happiness. I get no reaction at all when I come home and she will take a treat from me when I get home. Ella is not strongly food motivated (which is a whole other problem) but she is less likely to take a treat from me than my wife. Ella will get very playful with her toys when my wife is home, but will rarely play with her toys when it is just me. It is not that wife engages her in play. It is simply that she will play on her own if my wife is in house, but not if I am there alone. Ella will still sometimes cower in fear if I move the wrong way at the wrong time.

I have been hand-feeding her meals most of the time for the last month. We saved our best treats for only me to give to her. She will take the food from me but it does not seem to have made much of a difference.

I know that we need patience but any advice on trying to get my dog to like me.

No, he is clearly upset that their dog appears to like his wife better than she likes him. He needs to find a way to get her to bond with him.

@tanza:

And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.

@tanza:

Seems to me like you know more about all the things you "could" do then I could ever come up with???

If that were the case all puppies would be from your champion dogs! Oh wait, yours are though are they not?
Or at least your paperwork says they are, hmmm now I wonder.

so if your kid is not listening to you, you will not feed him supper but instead will give him his bread when he listens and does what he is told, then later you will give him soup when he again does what he is told, and then finally after he brushes his teeth and listens again you will give him the rest of his meal? Come on does this sound humane? NO!
I recommend getting the dog on a good diet, such as www.vetschoice.com the Holistic Health Extension Little Bites is a good choice, the Jr Vitamins are also a good option.
and take some good one on one time and spend with her… (puppy classes are great) and being on unfamiliar turf will benefit your bond greatly. As of now she might possibly enjoy you hand feeding her and just maybe this is her one on one time with you, as for your wife she has her in playtime, and you in feeding time. Break up the routine a little bit, you play and have your wife feed her...

I feed www.vetschoice.com
The food I like is the Holistic Health Extension Little Bites and you can order it online and have it shipped directly to you.

I disagree on the idea of with holding food, dogs need their 2 meals per day and should not have to work to get it. You can find other ways to encourage her, such as playtime… Baby talk and encouragement is a much more humane way to spend time with her. She may resent having to beg for her meals, and this would make her withdraw more from you! You want to bring her closer to you, not push her away!

Also, find a socialization class in your area, you take her and leave your wife home. This one on one time with her will bring the two of you closer.

oh, dah, it just hit me: you put down that the parents are from champion _____, when the pups really are not from that champion at all but some unknown dog! Still would you not get in trouble with the kennel club for that?
I can see the idea here, your champion female would not get saggy and fat…

Why would you not just be truthful and say who the correct parents are though? Is it really that big of a deal?

If you are going to take the time, effort and money to register the litter wouldn't you be honest enough to list the right parents?

so you are saying that all breeders are lying on their AKC papers then right?
Why would breeders lie about who the parents to a litter really are?

Is this something that all Basenji club breeders are told to do?

@tanza:

And that the sires and dams are DNA for parentage with AKC so that the pup you get can be proven to be of the parents listed on the papers.

So Pat Fragassi of Tanza Basenjis what you are saying is that the sire and dam you list on your AKC papers is not the actual sire and dam to the puppies you place on these AKC papers? Why would you do this? Would you not be kicked out of AKC for doing this? Everyone with a puppy should DNA it to find out who it's parents are as it appears some Basenji club breeders might not be putting down the right parents right? Again, why would you do this?

https://www.akc.org/pdfs/AKC_code_of_sportsmanship.pdf
AKC Code of Sportsmanship link for those who wish to read it!

And here is another interesting quote from Hestekin Hills website:
Dog showing can be an entertaining sport, it should be fun for the experienced and also the beginner. I personally feel that it is highly unethical to openly attack, embarrass or belittle anyone whether they are experienced in the ring or a new comer to the ring. Why can't we all be good sports about showing and competing? Yes showing is a sport, it can be very competitive, but sometimes I can't help wondering where the "SPORT" in sportsmanship ever went?

Link here to read: AKC Code of Sportsmanship: https://www.akc.org/pdfs/AKC_code_of_sportsmanship.pdf

I do not make the practice of bad mouthing other breeders, and I will not answer personal questions about other breeders. I will however offer my aid with any problems concerning health, behavior, house training or any other puppy issue you may encounter, whether the puppy was from me or another breeder is not the issue. It is important that you get the best possible dog you can as a dog of any breed is a lifetime commitment. A well bred puppy will hopefully save you expensive vet bills and the heartache of health problems in your time together.

The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue.
-Anonymous

CHOOSING A BREEDER: Choosing a breeder is totally up to the purchaser. It is highly unethical to openly attack another breeder to anyone, and if you find one of these sorts of breeders I recommend staying clear of them. Please do not email me asking me about another breeder or what I think of their dogs, it honestly is up to you to make that determination of which breeder you want to deal with. It is not my place to judge the creditability or honesty of any breeder.

You can read more online at: http://hestekinhills.com/Ba6.htm

Hmmm someone out there has standards!

Hestekin Hills sells puppies for about $575.00 each is that high? How much are you puppies?

Why do you people insist on the lies?
Dogs being shown with these clubs, and being involved in all of these clubs is involvement! APR has Teresa Hestekin speaking at seminars for them, this I would assume is involvement is it not?

Email Teresa Hestekin directly and ask for the receipts and emails, she has proof that will knock your socks off, her proof involves many basenji club members (some not mentioned in the previous write up)

and on the website you quote: "with each puppy it clearly states: AKC registered"

Hestekin Hills has an interesting storyline which is all made up and fabricated by dmcarty and Sally Wournus.
The real story line is: Hestekin Hills got her first 4 Basenji dogs from a breeder in Neillsville, WI named Lynn Evans. Lynn Evans had purchased 2 males and 2 females from a South Dakota breeder (one male was tom) Lynn Evans had big intentions to show her new dogs but quickly decided that showing was not the fun that she was expecting it to be. The basenji show group was down right mean to her!
Hestekin Hills is not associated with, not friends with, and does not deal with Betty Sweeter (this is one of the many lies made up by dmcarty) Evans Diamond Dutches, Evans Diamond Dezaray, Hestekin Hills Dynamite Tom, and Evans Diamond Drummer. Drummer (Toms sire) was adopted out to a family in Hudson. Tom was adopted out to a breeder/show home in Oklahoma where the breeder quickly grew, and after a run in with dmcarty and friends decided to no longer show. 8 years later this breeder sold some of her dogs by way of an auction, this was not Hestekin Hills who put Tom in the auction, and there were no other Hestekin Hills dog in this action as dmcarty claims. Tom was picked up by the rescue and place in a great pet home where they love him dearly. This family contacted Hestekin Hills after they adopted Tom and they have kept in touch with each other since:

–---Original Message-----
Hi Teresa!
Nice to hear from you. Tom is doing fantastic! We love him so much, that we added a female Basenji puppy to our family in May 2007. Tom and Phoebe are best pals. They enjoy walks in the park, tug-o-war with each other, and 500s in the backyard (and sometimes in the house!). Tom doesn't act like he's ten! Both dogs sleep with our 11-year-old daughter and will snuggle with whoever is sitting in the recliner in our living room. Basically spoiled rotten! Have a happy new year!
Jamie D. Honeycutt
-----End Of Original Message-----

Her HH's stuff came from there and then she got a Budlight grandson by misrepresenting herself
Hestekin Hills did not misrepresent herself in the purchase of Hestekin Hills Budlight King. The original contract and bill of sale can be faxed to anyone who wants it. King was delivered by Karen Kutcha to Teresa Hestekin and Karen was happy to see him going to a breeder/show home. After King attended a couple of shows and dmcarty got a look at him dmcarty was scared she would get beat (King is the perfect specimen of a Basenji) Dmcarty at that time started making up stories and lies about this great dog. She contacted Karen Kutcha and talked her into taking Teresa Hestekin to court, where Karen Kutchas tried to claim that King was not paid for. The original bill of sale/contract was presented at the time of court and the judge slapped Karen Kutcha on the hand and scoulded her for lying but Hestekin Hills did not file another action against Karen for the lie. Teresa Hestekin, thinking that something happened to Karen Kutchas dog offered Karen a pick puppy from an upcoming litter (just to be nice). Even after this great effort to be nice to Karen Kutcha, Karen proceeded to send threats to Teresa Hestekin stating that Karen or a friend of Karens (meaning dmcarty and Sally Wuornos) would poison or steal King if they seen him at a show, so for the safety and well being of King he finished his Canadian Championship and was not shown again at AKC events. Anyone who loves their dog would have done the same thing for his protection wouldn't they? Now where is sportsmanship in all of this? If you go to basenjipedigrees.com you can see the 3 litters that King has sired. King is now 9 years old, and in these 9 years there have been a ton of tall tales developed by this Basenji club.

Hestekin Hills has never had any issues with the Italian Greyhound club as dmcarty claims. The Italian Greyhound club is a group of wonderful people who are honest, helpful and have sportsmanship values (yes they believe in sportsmanship)
Teresa Hestekin is a CGC evaluator she holds 2 clinics per year at her kennel/home.

Teresa Hestekin registers her dogs with only AKC (she does not use APR as dmcarty claims) She shows AKC mostly but when her dogs life is threated by poor sports she will show in Canada.

At one show Teresa Hestekin met dmcarty, and wanted to talk about pedigrees and breeding dmcarty was not helpful but was rude, crude and down right nasty (this was 9 years of so ago) Another basenji breeder confronted Teresa Hestekin and told her that dmcarty is a poor sport and hates to loose, she is mean to all new comers so no one will show against her! That is why in this area there are so few Basenji dogs in the show ring. (Where is the sportsmanship in that?)