I did extensive research and vetted the breeder thoroughly!
How was I so easily fooled?!!?

@TuckerBesosa
@sakuhn62 said in Real Breeder:

Not wanting to start a argument, some people just cant afford a Basenji of the quality that you breed and sell. With that said I always have my Basenjis fixed not to have puppies and I do not breed I only LOVE Basenjis

I haven't met, known or run across a reputable AND responsible breeder who has a different price for a show puppy vs. a quality puppy vs. a companion puppy. In fact, many of these breeders state emphatically that there is ONE price for the puppies regardless.

Here are some insights from Sarah Lindenbaum (longtime member of Basenji Rescue and Transport, aka BRaT):
"A lot of potential puppy buyers panic when they see these figures because that's a lot of money. It's understandable to want to find a better bargain elsewhere, because after all, you're looking for a pet and not a show dog, right?

Except that's probably the biggest myth out there about a responsibly breed dog--that you're paying for a fancy pedigree and show potential that you don't need. Breeders who participate in show typically keep just one or two puppies for show. The rest go straight to pet homes.

What you're actually paying for is thorough health-testing of the mom and dad: Fanconi syndrome, PRA, hips / elbows, thryoid, and eyes. You're paying for extensive socialization that can last anywhere from 8-12 weeks so that your puppy comes home with the best temperament possible and acclimated to things like nail trims, teeth-brushing, and being handled by the vet. You're paying for routine puppy vet care. Also, you are paying for a support system that lasts the entire life of your puppy, which is 13-17 years on average. If you have questions about training, breed traits, spaying / neutering, etc., your breeder is going to be there to answer them so you're not left guessing. Your breeder will also take that dog back at any point during its life if there's ever any reason you have to rehome it. When our first basenji died in 2015 at age 17 -- her breeder was the first one I emailed about her death, and her words were such a comfort.

Also, even if you can find a basenji for sale in the $900 range, by the time you pay for air shipping ($400-$500), you're back up to $1500 AND you're getting minimal or no health-testing, minimal or no socialization, minimal to no lifetime support, and so on.

So, stick with the sure thing and wait for a responsibly bred basenji puppy to come available to you. "

@mazzywinters
Happy to learn you were successful in getting a puppy.

All else sounded like an infomercial. HH is renowned for being a puppy mill and your list of requirements mentions nothing re: the puppy's health, testing, etc.

1. May I ask why a basset hound owner is posting on a Basenji forum? (did you just recently joined to write this post?)
2. Here's (an updated version of) a valuable old post from Tanza if anyone wishes to ask thorough questions before purchasing a pup:
   tanza 8 Jun 2007, 07:56

@timothyhanselman
If on FB, you may want to join BASENJIS in need: Golden Opportunity.
There are some adults looking for homes right now.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/375245789899780

And as one of the posts advises:
"Stay patient. A lot of inexperienced people are buying puppies they are ill prepared for, from greeders who do not take their basenjis back.
I suspect in the next 6-8 months we might see/learn of an influx of basenjis needing homes."
Alas....

@tanza
@Astarte
Here are a couple pictures of the renowned Tristan, as a young boy in June 2019, sitting pretty on Jay Webb's lap. Tristan was such a delight to meet, and so even-keeled even at that young age!!

Hello Wael,
Yes there are other threads referring to this topic and dog behavior, if you wish to research further.
Here is a brief but very thorough booklet discussing the pros and cons of neutering/spaying, more science based than anecdotal.
https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet/
Good luck with your decision.

@elbrant
Thank you.
Caveat emptor may be the better option. We hope and pray buyers do the research.

@tanza said in Rescue dog prey drive!:

... One time many years ago at an indoor show, there was a person that had a "pet" squirrel in a crate... this critter got loose and ran through all 9 indoor rings.... and you could say "no" to your were blue in the face, they wanted that critter... and honestly that was for all breeds, not just Basenjis...

Did the squirrel survive its suicide escapade?!!!?
What owner thought that was a splendid idea to bring a squirrel to a dog show? What fear the critter may have felt the whole time in its crate.
Still... for the imagined chases!

@italeigha said in Considering a Basenji. Thoughts?:

@adina Thanks so much for this. The breeders we are looking at seem to have all those boxes checked and we found them through AKC. We are hoping this is surely a trusted source...

Alas, AKC lists breeders who have paid to be listed. There is NO vetting. Please apply due diligence in choosing your breeder.
You should spend almost as much time researching the breeder (and the sire and dam) as you have the breed of dog. The breeder can let you know much of the pup's temperament and potential character.
Good luck.

@alibobo
Echoing what Sally (and Liz McCargo) has suggested re: not spaying/neutering, at least at this young age.
There's a very insightful and thoroughly informative booklet by the "Puppy Culture" founder on the subject. It is chockful of the latest scientific/medical/genetic research and also takes into consideration the social "pressure" of neutering/spaying one's pet.
(BF should read a few pages if he prefers facts to oft repeated false tales)

https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet/

Whether to neuter/spay is an important decision and so is its timing should you decide to have the operation.

Not sure if this has already been posted.
Here's a senior Basenji needing to be re-homed in North Carolina:
https://post.rescueme.org/22-07-11-00551

@italeigha
I've tagged this pamphlet before so you may wish to search the forum for the link which may still work.
https://my.puppyculture.co.uk/resources/flipbook/spay-neuter-booklet

It's full of facts and studies and Liz McCargo uses it as her reference.

There's a free read-only version if you'd search: PUPPY CULTURE SPAY/NEUTER BOOKLET.

Title page attached, if allowed.

@tanza
Hi Pat,
Reviving this old topic to ask you for an updated opinion.
My area is reporting increased canine lepto cases and deaths. The vet, with limited Basenji experience, is recommending vaccination.
My girl is 9 years old and in excellent health. What's your advice?
Thank you.

Oh my....
It was a little tongue-in-cheek my comment about the Basenji looking "pudgy". All 3 dogs appeared well fed. (or hey.... maybe the painter used fat brushes.... )
That was the extent of my "analysis".

@kembe
1843 would be a much earlier date for Basenji "out of Africa" sighting, no?

And quite pudgy that "African dog brought back from the Niger expedition" !

@jengosmonkey
Welcome to da club!
We had to search storage for her (re-usable) diapers

BTW: it's sporadic just to keep us perplexed. She had 2 seasons about 3 years ago; only one in 2020.

@TuckerBesosa
@sakuhn62 said in Real Breeder:

Not wanting to start a argument, some people just cant afford a Basenji of the quality that you breed and sell. With that said I always have my Basenjis fixed not to have puppies and I do not breed I only LOVE Basenjis

I haven't met, known or run across a reputable AND responsible breeder who has a different price for a show puppy vs. a quality puppy vs. a companion puppy. In fact, many of these breeders state emphatically that there is ONE price for the puppies regardless.

Here are some insights from Sarah Lindenbaum (longtime member of Basenji Rescue and Transport, aka BRaT):
"A lot of potential puppy buyers panic when they see these figures because that's a lot of money. It's understandable to want to find a better bargain elsewhere, because after all, you're looking for a pet and not a show dog, right?

Except that's probably the biggest myth out there about a responsibly breed dog--that you're paying for a fancy pedigree and show potential that you don't need. Breeders who participate in show typically keep just one or two puppies for show. The rest go straight to pet homes.

What you're actually paying for is thorough health-testing of the mom and dad: Fanconi syndrome, PRA, hips / elbows, thryoid, and eyes. You're paying for extensive socialization that can last anywhere from 8-12 weeks so that your puppy comes home with the best temperament possible and acclimated to things like nail trims, teeth-brushing, and being handled by the vet. You're paying for routine puppy vet care. Also, you are paying for a support system that lasts the entire life of your puppy, which is 13-17 years on average. If you have questions about training, breed traits, spaying / neutering, etc., your breeder is going to be there to answer them so you're not left guessing. Your breeder will also take that dog back at any point during its life if there's ever any reason you have to rehome it. When our first basenji died in 2015 at age 17 -- her breeder was the first one I emailed about her death, and her words were such a comfort.

Also, even if you can find a basenji for sale in the $900 range, by the time you pay for air shipping ($400-$500), you're back up to $1500 AND you're getting minimal or no health-testing, minimal or no socialization, minimal to no lifetime support, and so on.

So, stick with the sure thing and wait for a responsibly bred basenji puppy to come available to you. "

@rgk9ruler
Spot on!

@sanjibasenji said in Four Puppy Questions:

Thanks again! Awesome. I like that collar! What size did you get?

With Hurtta collars, size 10-14 works well. There's a little give to the band. That would also give Sanji room to grow into it.
Next size up, 14-18, will also fit an adult or a Basenji with a thicker/larger neck.

Where did you find your padded martinagle?

Alas, that lil' online megastore....
ComfortFlex PetPDC Limited Slip Collar
Size S

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It may not last years but I like that it is soft and flexible, and most likely more gentle on the throat. (our B. walks well but does have her pulling moments....)

Also... please get into the habit of removing the choke or martingale collar at the end of walks. There are just too many opportunities for mishaps, like that dangling ring!

@sanjibasenji
I tried from size 12 to 16 and size 14 fits best. She's a 24-25 lbs adult.
Size 12 was about 1" short at the tail once the rear elastic adjustment was fully expanded. Size 16: I had to tightly cinch same elastic and it looked a bit long, though that would have been fine.
The best feature is the snood!!!
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We're in sunny California so leg coverage is not as essential.

Yes, it would make sense to wait until the fall if weather permits. The suit is adjustable at many body points so you can probably buy the adult size and tighten the needed areas until Sanji grows into it.

BTW: our coat's color is Lingon and is much darker than pictured. Closer to burgundy shade.