@zande I will look into the gentle leader thanks, I have been meaning to do that!
You'll wish you'd done it weeks ago ! Good luck !
@katoman Not all of us mis-use the dog crate! And the one's who abuse crate use have your testosterone pouring out everywhere! I don't deserve to have you use your boiling over the edge, testosterone lecture towards me & neither do a lot of others that will or have, read what you wrote!! The people who DO MIS-USE THE CRATE deserve your rants but please, direct it at them only & make sure it's not aimed at those of us who use a crate in the appropriate manner! Say something nice about those of us who use a crate for a very minimum amount of time? Please? If I'm getting a new piece of furniture, I'll have my dog go into the crate but it's in the living room so they can see what is going on, plus, my dog isn't going to sneak out the open door & go out into the street & get hit/killed by a car!! Some of us do use crates as a protective tool to prevent our dogs from getting hurt. But as soon as the old furniture is out & the new is in ~ then the crate door is opened & out comes my dog ~ unharmed by a car or who ever is moving the furniture! Also, my dog is a Basenji but the crate for her holds her & myself at the same time & we still have spare room!! Even a dog that's been trained by the best trainer money can buy & they have 6 Diplomas on the wall showing the schooling they've been thru, they might be able to get the dog to sit & stay in the opposite side of the room but when they have to turn their back to answer the moving peoples question or hold a door open for them.....the dog can get confused hearing all the people talking at the same time.....it only takes one word spoken by the movers or the owner, the dog hears that one word & believes he's been released from that position...then off he goes! You have many good points in what you've said but it's like the old saying goes, "It only takes one bad apple to ruin the whole bushel full". In this case, what you're referring to is a whole truckload of bad apples that's ruining the whole orchard full. Most of the people I know that have dogs or cats, what-ever.....they love their animals the same way most parents love their kids, they don't want them to get hurt! I really wish your friends that work with the stressed dogs/cats, etc....were going to be around long enough to straighten out the 2 legged parents now days! Not all current parents are "tired" of their kids & just allow them to grow up vs. raising their kids! But sadly, that is the case with many young parents...they don't know how...they're too tired... whatever the reason ~ they don't care what their kids are doing as long as they aren't bothering them! But this isn't about 2 legged kids, it's our 4 legged kids that need help ~ from those tired, don't have time or really give a crap about their dogs people...leaving them in a crate that long!! I agree with you on that! It's abuse to the dog...plain & simple!! As soon as my furniture was delivered & the door closed & locked behind the movers ... my 4 legged kid is coming out baby & I'm going to take them right to the new furniture & show them why I had to crate them for a little bit & yes, my dog is allowed on all my furniture, new or old & in my bed at night!! But would you please lighten up a little? I can tell, crating a dog is a very serious subject with you ~ I get that & it should be! Oh, I don't use the plastic crates...I use the all wire crate & get it big enough that several dogs could fit in it ...or my one dog plus myself & I'm really not skinny, no rolls of fat on me but I'm husky enough! I hate animal abuse!! But I LOVE MY BASENJIS & other dogs too!!
@katoman You talk so bad about people who use crates! You almost had a stroke trying to type so fast when you bragged about breeding your mix with a purebred & others voiced their opinions (which is what a forum is for) & now I read that YOU wrote: "... this post is from a friend of mine, Judy who I adore. I advised her, temporarily get a crate. The puppy she has, ABBY was from my litter." WHAT?? You are the one who hates a crate & you are also the one who bragged about how good your mix & purebred's puppies turned out!! I've been trying to give you a chance to prove that you weren't just some one on here who needed to vent by downing others (at your own expense) & pasting about a page that was clearly written by someone else & then you have the nerve to keep referring to your genital area!! I will be nice enough not to down you with several words that describe you very well. I believe your boat is fast sinking so you need to make up your mind ... either sink or swim!! If you can't stand it in the forum, then you should quietly just back out! And you have a FaceBook page for people living in Florida with Basenjis!! It seems to me that, YOU SIR, ARE UP TO SOMETHING & IT'S PROBABLY NOT GOOD!
A Dog Crate Is a Cage Is a Prison
OMG... did you really just post PETA? OMG, okay while I try to stop laughing at the insanity of you... a pet breeder, quoting PETA who would label you with things that would have your head explode... might I suggest that far from a PROFESSIONAL opinion, it is the opinion of a radical group whose goal is to stop ALL OWNERSHIP OF ALL ANIMALS, including dogs. A group that has KILLED pets as being a better option than OWNERSHIP. But thank you... probably biggest laugh I'll get today... someone using PETA as a "professional opinion." BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Rather than me telling you, let me use their own quotes. I do thank you though for showing how very uneducated you are. Please, read up on your own.
"Owning animals is the equivalent of slavery." Hope Bohanec, In Defense of Animals, AR 2010. (Hope also thinks eating any animal is murder, and serves on Peta boards)
"We should take good care of the domestic animals we have brought into existence until they die. We should stop bringing more domestic animals into existence." Gary Francione, Interview on Columbia University Press blog, June 18, 2008.
But it is also important to stop manufacturing "pets," thereby perpetuating a class of animals forced to rely on humans to survive." PETA pamphlet, Companion Animals: Pets or Prisoners?
"We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus." This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. Their lives are restricted to human homes where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to." Animal Rights Uncompromised: PETA on Pets: published on PETA's website, January 8, 2007
"I don't use the word "pet." I think it's speciesist language. I prefer "companion animal." For one thing, we would no longer allow breeding. People could not create different breeds. There would be no pet shops. If people had companion animals in their homes, those animals would have to be refugees from the animal shelters and the streets. You would have a protective relationship with them just as you would with an orphaned child. But as the surplus of cats and dogs (artificially engineered by centuries of forced breeding) declined, eventually companion animals would be phased out, and we would return to a more symbiotic relationship enjoyment at a distance." Ingrid Newkirk, PETA vice-president
"It is time we demand an end to the misguided and abusive concept of animal ownership. The first step on this long, but just, road would be ending the concept of pet ownership." Elliot Katz, President "In Defense of Animals," Spring 1997
"Pet ownership is an absolutely abysmal situation brought about by human manipulation." Ingrid Newkirk, national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Just Like Us? Harper's, August 1988, p. 50.
"Liberating our language by eliminating the word 'pet' is the first step... In an ideal society where all exploitation and oppression has been eliminated, it will be NJARA's policy to oppose the keeping of animals as 'pets.'" New Jersey Animal Rights Alliance, "Should Dogs Be Kept As Pets? NO!" Good Dog! February 1991, p. 20.
"Let us allow the dog to disappear from our brick and concrete jungles--from our firesides, from the leather nooses and chains by which we enslave it." John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, (PeTA), 1982, p. 15.
"The cat, like the dog, must disappear... We should cut the domestic cat free from our dominance by neutering, neutering, and more neutering, until our pathetic version of the cat ceases to exist." John Bryant, Fettered Kingdoms: An Examination of A Changing Ethic (Washington, DC: People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), 1982, p. 15.
"Breeders must be eliminated! As long as there is a surplus of companion animals in the concentration camps referred to as "shelters", and they are killing them because they are homeless, one should not be allowed to produce more for their own amusement and profit. If you know of a breeder in the Los Angeles area, whether commercial or private, legal or illegal, let us know and we will post their name, location, phone number so people can write them letters telling them 'Don't Breed or Buy, While Others DIE.'" "Breeders! Let's get rid of them too!" Campaign on Animal Defense League's website, September 2, 2003.
"I'm not only uninterested in having children. I am opposed to having children. Having a purebred human baby is like having a purebred dog; it is nothing but vanity, human vanity." Ingrid Newkirk, PeTA's founder and president, New Yorker magazine, April 23, 2003
"Our goal is to make [the public think of] breeding [dogs and cats] like drunk driving and smoking." Kim Sturla, former director of the Peninsula Humane Society and Western Director of Fund for Animals, stated during Kill the Crisis, not the Animals campaign and workshops, 1991
"The bottom line is that people don't have the right to manipulate or to breed dogs and cats ... If people want toys, they should buy inanimate objects. If they want companionship, they should seek it with their own kind," Ingrid Newkirk, founder, president and former national director, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PeTA), Animals, May/June 1993
Genitals??? what the hell are you talking about....... everyday I have to remind myself, Trump was elected by uneducated people in America and then I deal with this.......God Help Us all
Again, were you not quite yourself when you posted this? I already answered it once but here:
DebraDownSouth 43 minutes ago
You maybe were not awake or fully in control of your faculties, so you might want to reread your own post
There is no law requiring to neuter them, it's a choice, and I am pretty sure I live in America still. Just because I am not a vegan, and I choose to eat meat, or I don't smoke, (I have never smoked )...its my right not too nor because I decided to have 2 real human children and not cut my ba!!$ off, and you might be all of those who wags a finger at all that, that's your right to do as you please, without my comments as it is my right as well.<<
"not cut my .... off" .... genitalia there, not genetic. LOL. Yes it is hilarious.<<
You really are a crazy person you need real professional help.
Please stop this!! It serves no purpose and only upsets everyone else. Enough already!!
Sadly, bullies will bully, abuse, post vile comments and do whatever they can to get people to cower and stay quiet. Find any forum where such personal attacks go unanswered and see how fast the forum is gone. Unless a monitor quickly removes abusive posts, then the bullying behavior continues.If you are willing to ignore someone advising breeding pets and then attacking anyone who disagrees, that is your choice. But I don't consider that to be something I find valuable. Abusive personal attacks either need their posts removed, the person banned (I suspect this person was before), or people to stand up to them.
@katoman... You posted... "everyday I have to remind myself, Trump was elected by uneducated people in America and then I deal with this..." you keep posting little tid-bits of things Trump says soooo.... if Trump was elected by uneducated people, then "why" do you keep tossing his name on this forum page?? This has nothing to do with Trump other than you posting things he's said. Are you so un-educated that you follow all the stupid things he says?? I do remember Trump saying in the early days of the running, "The elections are all fixed, everyone knows that" but then, he was falling pretty far behind in the running. Then when all the other people running ~ dropped out, Trump was still very far behind. Then all of a sudden, right at the end, I guess the election got "fixed" as he put it & he "won" the election. Perhaps to "fix" an election, you need a lot of money & Trump has plenty of that. Maybe you need to stop reminding yourself everyday about Trump. You know, if you take the "T" off of Trump, you're left with a "rump" & I'm pretty sure people know what a rump is. Stick to the subject please.
@katoman P.S. I worked with what you refer to as "crazy" people for 18 yrs. ~ I know a mentally ill person when I see one & when I hear one & when I see posts like this one. Perhaps it's your mental state that has some M.I. going on!
now she's an expert on mentally disabled....., well maybe she is, since she is also unstable..
Last time I looked this was supposed to be a forum dedicated to discussing Basenjis, not a place to attack others with different opinions. Since today marks the start of a new year, perhaps folks would like to turn over a new leaf and stick to discussing issues, rather than getting hung up in an endless game of "lastworditis". Or perhaps all of us have too much time on our hands? Better to ignore trolls than feed them.....
Maybe a little humour to lighten things up?
Shirley, hard to ignore trolls who make personal attacks. Doing so just escalates this person's attacks. Hopefully the owner will sign on, wipe this stuff out and put an end to it.
@eeeefarm Hi eeeefarm! Haven't told you that it's nice to see your back! And yes! I agree with you, new year, new opinions...on the Basenjis! And as you already know, it doesn't matter if we're talking about b's feet or their wonderful wrinkles, all 3 of us are getting thumbs down clicks. Nice to see you back as you always have some good advice!